[ SECRET POST #3339 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3339 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Taylor Swift]


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03.
(Hamilton the Musical)


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04.
[Pokemon]


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05.
[Supernatural - Jensen Ackles and Misha Collins]


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06.
[Pokemon]


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07. [titc]


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08.
[Battlestar Galactica]


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09.
[Fried Green Tomatoes]


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10. [TW: rape]






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11.
[Good Omens, by Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman]
















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 025 secrets from Secret Submission Post #477.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm gonna say, I'll be a little bit petty here I guess but people like you do irritate me in fandom, not going to lie. You have THE VAST MAJORITY of original works to read, het fandom is HUGE, etc. Why in the world do you need to latch onto one of the very few representations of characters that are something-other-than-completely-sanitized-100%-approved-heterosexual-cisgender characters? Aziraphale and Crowley don't even have genders or sexes, they have to make an effort.

But yeah, fans who have to genderbend a canonically male (or male presenting in this case) character in order to ship them? I do feel like that comes from a little bit of homophobia, because you're basically saying you love the dynamic, think they're super cute as individual characters and together, if only it weren't for that unfortunate gay thing.

(Semi related, I saw a MakoHaru fan do this and her entire blog was filled with pictures of Haru as a girl and Makoto as a guy and like at first maybe I thought the fan had a weird ladyboner for girl!Haru but then I checked more of her work and she'd turned Nagisa into a girl for ReiGisa stuff too. There was a Rin/Haru fan who did the same genderswap thing too and I remember there being wank. I just find this so, so weird and kinda gross.)

Yeah, fandom loves gender swaps like another anon said, but generally fandom only loves gender swaps when it's apparent the author isn't just genderbending 100% of the time because "ew, gay".

[(Anonymous)]

Are gay people solely defined by the sex they have and nothing else? Because if not, then it's entirely possible to support gay rights even if slash doesn't give you a special feeling in the pants area.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

seriously, this - I'm a slash fan, but I don't expect everyone else to be.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt- I don't get how that message implied any of this? It's possible to support gay rights and still be homophobic...

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

You're the one implying I said anything at all about sex. I didn't. I'm definitely not defined by the sex I have, but you bet your ass when someone decides that "oh that character is AMAZING and goes SO WELL with that other character--except they need to be a girl because ew gay", I'll speak the fuck up.

You and your little "+1" mate here have somehow deduced that it's totally cool to wear your homophobia on your sleeve by needing to take a canonically male character and genderbend them because their canon male/male interactions are totally kawaaiiiiii and you think they belong together, but only if it's not ~gay~. This isn't about "slash", it's about forcefully erasing queer subtext where queer fans already have a vanishingly small supply to begin with. If two characters turn your crank and you think they have shippable, romantic tension, but you need one of them to be a girl for it work? That's pretty homophobic. It's like you're saying gay people don't have the right to be seen as cute and romantic and shit. You don't need to be a "slash fan" to still think a gay relationship can be cute.

Ick.

[(Anonymous)]

This.
If you're basically going "I like everything about these two characters together except the fact they're gay." It's like... writing Cap/Falcon MCU fic except Sam's racebent to white because you just don't find interracial romances hot.

It's like.. no one can force you to like interracial romance or gay romance, but at least you're honest that you're only doing it because you don't like reading about gay romance.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT


Fucking exactly thank you. I'm glad I'm not the only anon who found that this secret rubbed them the wrong way.

And sadly I've seen enough covert (and not-so-covert) bitching about black actors being cast in roles that are seen as prime shipping material that this is something that already happens. :/ Fandom is really fuckin' attached to it's pretty white men.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

Yeah, given that they're only male because they explicitly want to be, I think OP needs to... think about what they're into here, and why. It's a bit off.

[(Anonymous)]

If Aziraphale and Crowley were a canon couple, that'd be one thing, but they're not. They have no canon romantic relationship, they have no canon sexuality. OP isn't taking anything away by writing a genderswap fic - particularly if they write it then file the serial numbers off to make it origfic - they're just not adding another story to the pool.