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It skeeves me out when self-proclaimed "lesbians" say "I'm attracted to women and trans men". I don't think you should call yourself a lesbian if you're attracted to ANY men, even if it's only one specific group of men. (And no, I'm not a TERF. I just don't like it when words are misused.)

I would take that to mean they're attracted to vaginas and the people attached. Is that not correct?

vagina vagina vagina vagina vagina

DICK!!!

No, no dick. Only vagina.

DA

This is a common misconception about trans people. Hormones affect their genitalia. To say "they're attracted to vaginas" doesn't quite cover it, since genitalia changes. Have you ever looked it up?

Vaginas come in all shapes and sizes. Hormones affect them, but do not turn them into something other than vaginas. That requires more direct surgical intervention. Have you ever looked it up?

BF is trans. I wouldn't call what he's got anything resembling what an average person would consider a vagina in appearance. He can't use it for sex due to lack of lubrication and dilation, nor for childbirth nor menstruation any more, so functionally it isn't one either. I would say I have looked it up.

Non-functional things are still things. Tell a paraplegic their legs aren't legs, see how that goes.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm not saying it's not there. But since you are grouping people as lesbians who are in it for the vagina, then I would say it matters. Imo, it's disingenuous to say that lesbians in general would be attracted to nonfunctional vaginas in the same way it's disingenuous to say straight women in general are attracted to nonfunctional dicks.

Maybe they are, maybe they aren't. It's not outside the realm of possibility that somewhere out there is a lesbian who is turned on by a trans man with a non-functional vagina. I never said ALL of them are. You're just assuming that, and making a big deal out of nothing. How about not putting words in my mouth, then?

I feel it's disrespectful in the first place to consider a trans man a "person with a vagina" as you did considering said vagina is what has caused many of them such dysphoria in the first place and many of said genitalia aren't even functional vaginas any more. You may argue that it is there and a vagina to you so it is your right to declare it, but I find that disrespectful. I do not expect you to agree with me however, so I'm bowing out of this conversation while it remains civil.

If a trans man has a vagina, he has a vagina. It's not something to speak of in hushed whispers, or sweep under the rug. He is what he is. Maybe he's comfortable with a vagina? It's possible. If he's not, well, sorry, but it's a fact. A lot of us live with things about our bodies that we're not happy with, but denying it doesn't make it go away. What's disrespectful is assuming that you know how every trans man feels collectively about their collective genitalia, as if they weren't individuals who might have different opinions and experiences.

But... implying that trans men all have vaginas?

I didn't say that. But some do, and that's the most plausible reason for a lesbian being into a man that I can come up with, given OP's parameters.

I don't know, I consider myself straight, but there have been trans women I've been attracted to. I know that's not politically correct to say, but our brains are sort of trained to perceive up subtle differences between the sexes.

I mean, I respect their gender identity, but I do know I never had that with a woman born with XX chromosomes.

I'd consider it dishonest to call myself bisexual because of that.

I feel like it's skeevy because it's ignoring the fact that trans men are and want to be seen as men, not women, even if they were originally born into a female body. That's kind of why they have dysphoria in the first place, so it just seems insulting to me to be grouping them alongside women when they themselves don't want to be seen as women.

Yeah, I'm a lesbian and I've never been attracted to a trans man. I'm not attracted to any man. Like, I usually low get the feeling they aren't respecting trans men?

(I do kinda get making an exception if you're in a committed relationship with a person before they come out as trans though.)

This is how I feel about it too. A trans man is a man regardless of what physical genitalia they may have. By saying you're a lesbian but you're attracted to trans men, that just seems to me like you aren't respecting their gender identity.

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