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⌈ Secret Post #3341 ⌋

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[David Mitchell/Victoria Coren, British Comedian RPF]

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[Assassin's Creed Rogue]

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05. [SPOILERS for Letters From The Inside]

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06. [SPOILERS for The Force Awakens]

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07. [SPOILERS for Gintama]

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08. [SPOILERS for The Something? Supernatural? Maybe?]
[WARNING for non-consensual relationships]

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09. [SPOILERS for Walking Dead]
[WARNING for parental incest]

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10. [SPOILERS for Black Mirror]
[WARNING for bestiality and rape]

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11. [SPOILERS for Bioshock Infinite]
[WARNING for incest]

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12. [WARNING for underage]

[Leon: The Professional]

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13. [WARNING for abuse]

[Venus Angelic]

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Fanon or canon? Or are both equally important in different ways?

i'm just along for the ride

What do you mean by trumps?

Do you mean to ask what draws us to a fandom, a good canon or a robust fandom? Or if we'd join a fandom of a terrible canon if the fandom is good or vice versa?

Re: What trumps a fandom for you...

(Anonymous) - 2016-02-27 00:25 (UTC) - Expand

Equally important. Without the canon there would be no fanon. And the fanon can fill in gaps that canon doesn't.

(Anonymous) - 2016-02-27 00:14 (UTC) - Expand

nightscale - 2016-02-27 03:36 (UTC) - Expand

I'll always love a good canon more than fanon.

Canon. Fanon is fine, but when it contradicts canon is where I draw the line.

I also dislike character interpretations that have no basis in the canon. A while back I posted on tumblr a thing about how SHODAN is a flat character compared to other game AIs -- GLaDOS is an obvious one, but I was thinking more especially Durandal. Cue someone reblogging me to post this massive multi-paragraph (and vaguely personally insulting) rant about how SHODAN is such a deep character blah blah blah but all her arguments revolved reading into SHODAN's character things that aren't supported by the source material.

(I took a look at her tumblr and it was one huge SHODAN shrine so I'm thinking maybe she was a little too close to the issue to be objective... she never responded to my rebuttal either.)

Depends on the fandom. There are some shows (or whatever) that have really shitty (or just plain boring) fandoms that I strictly avoid, so I would say that fanon is basically useless in those cases.

It depends entirely on the specific fandom. It's not really a matter of one trumping the other, but the two of them added together has to lead to a fairly high combined score.

Like if the canon is okay, but the fanon is good, that works for me. To massively oversimplify, it's like Canon: 5, Fanon: 7 = Combined score of 12 (high enough)

If the canon is shit, and the fanon is just good, that doesn't work for me. Like if it's Canon: 2, Fanon: 7 = Combined score of 9 (not high enough)

But if the canon is shit, and the fanon is AMAZING, that works for me. Like Canon: 2, Fanon: 10 = Combined score of 12 (high enough)

Re: Combined score

(Anonymous) - 2016-02-27 10:38 (UTC) - Expand

Depends on the canon.

Both. My favorite fanon, though, is that which expands on canon in interesting ways and still fits in with canon like it could be there.

I refuse to choose.

Canon is always the main draw for me. Fandom is just supplementary.

A fandom can't make a bad show good for me.
But if I got a good show I can ignore a bad fandom.

Canon, but I like to have fun with it.

Both are important. Canon give you the structure and foundation, while Fanon gives you the bells and whistles. Sometimes Fanon even becomes Canon, and vice versa.

To quote Frank Sinatra, "You can't have one. You can't have none. You can't have one without the other."

Right now I'm kind of into a pairing where I don't even watch the show, and have no interest in the plot, but I happened to watch bits of a couple episodes because my brother was watching it and I really liked two of the characters' interaction and found myself shipping it even though I probably haven't even seen an entire episode's worth of scenes. So I went and found some fic and read it even though I didn't entirely understand what's going on in it.

So I guess fanon for me? At least in some instances.

It depends on the source material and the fandom.

I would not have watched as much SGA as I have if the fandom hadn't been so amazing.

Hannibal I love both for the source material and the fandom. One is always feeding the other.

Jessica Jones and Star Wars I like mostly as their own thing. I occassionally look at fanworks, but they don't have much impact for my affection for the canon (positively or negatively).

Canon. But both are good in different ways.

There is no canon, just multiple interpretations by the various creators (who may disagree with each other on points of interpretation.)

Like someone else said, canon is the main draw for me and fandom is supplementary. There's not really a lot of fanon I'm interested in, honestly, since so much of it revolves around kinks and tropes I don't like. I find it impossible to write fic for canons that are pretty much perfect to me, like Hannibal. It's just too hard to do it justice and to feel like I have anything to add. I tried and failed to write a very simple story about it, then got an AU idea that I'm now going to use for an original project, which will actually save me a ton of work, lol. I'm much more comfortable writing from one extremely messy canon I'd never dream of trying to fix beyond my ship (Lost) and one that's fairly wispy plotwise and almost blank in terms of characterization (Outlast).

I think both are equally important. But there's got to be good canon to spawn good fanon!

Depends on which makes more sense.

Canon always. I love all my ships, but canon comes first. Of course there are those programs which are highly ambiguous and some of them never give us a clear cut relationships....

Canon is the foundation fanon is built on. Fanon can't exist without it. I like fanon, but it exists as a variation on canon and thus, it doesn't trump canon... unless the PTBs make it canon.

(That is to say, I find what I hear about fans who claim their fanon (or "headcanons") is canon to be ridiculous.)

Canon draws me in, but fanon tends to be the thing that keeps me. Ideally, canon has a lot going for it, and provides a substantial underpinning for fanon. But ultimately, even if the canon goes to shit, if I'm in love with the fanon I'll continue to stay and be fannish.