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⌈ Secret Post #3341 ⌋

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How is Rey's super-fast progress any different from Luke's though?

He didn't progress as fast as she did. The Jedi Mind tricks are supposed to be extremely difficult to do and are the end stage of Jedi training. Luke had a little training, at least, before using a lightsaber. I don't know if she used the Force to move objects (I don't think she did), so I can't comment on that.

Where in the movies is it said that Mind-Tricks are end stage Jedi training? The EU isn't canon to the movies.

Rey didn't do anything nearly as impressive as Luke. Luke got a few days of training before the Death Star - he didn't use his lightsaber training at all, and the whole "don't use your eyes, feel it with your mind" trick, which wasn't really "training" either, it was an idea that Obi Wan gave him which he remembered and used in a last-ditch effort to hit the target on the Death Star.

Also that's not how learning works. It's not 100% linear for everyone, and Rey was in a really desperate life-or-death situation and did it almost by accident, which can make anyone, even IRL, suddenly get a grasp on abilities that would be beyond them in other situations.

I agree with all of this.

I wonder if the idea that Luke took forever to train is misremmebering canon? Because I remembered it as this long process too, until I rewatched and realized... everything you just said, basically.

okay but hear me out:

this is a movie

I'm sick of people making comparisons between Luke and Rey when their storylines are starting from two very different cultural settings: one where Star Wars is a new property and "the Force" is all but a mystery to viewers, and one which things like Jedi mind tricks have been known for decades. Luke's progression was more gradual because the expansion his universe was also more gradual-- you'd better believe if the storyline of A New Hope had called for an opportunity for Luke to escape a situation via Jedi mind tricks because it was the best way of moving the story forward and expanding on what the Force could do, he absolutely would have. the only difference was that he wasn't placed in that position, and his "training" arc of sorts was of importance to the next films.

when SW originally came out, no plans for a sequel, they weren't going to toss in him learning Jedi mind tricks or any number of other abilities that expands the universe beyond what could be contained in a two hour film because at the time, that was all they believed they had. it is unfair to compare them in a vacuum, without looking at what Star Wars is culturally, and what best suits the storyline of the film-- not necessarily in keeping with some nebulous notion of "consistency" about magical space powers.

He trained formally for at least a couple months and then informally for a year or so.

Uhhhh...not in A New Hope he didn't. He got a few days.

And Rey has been "training" informally basically all her life - with her survival tools etc.

This.

Luke didn't learn mind manipulation in less than a day.

ayrt

Actually she didn't "learn" it all, she did it instinctively, and kind of by accident. Which was the whole point. Gifted in the force and all. Luke also "learned" blind targeting in about 30 seconds.

The young protagonist being instinctively gifted in things it takes other people a long time to learn is a universal trope among stories like these, and has happened to a huge number of male protagonists, especially in frickin' fantasy/speculative fiction, and the male protagonists never get called "godlike" for being oddly precocious at a couple of things.

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