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⌈ Secret Post #3341 ⌋

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[David Mitchell/Victoria Coren, British Comedian RPF]

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[Assassin's Creed Rogue]

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[WARNING for non-consensual relationships]

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09. [SPOILERS for Walking Dead]
[WARNING for parental incest]

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11. [SPOILERS for Bioshock Infinite]
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[Leon: The Professional]

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[Venus Angelic]

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It was an exciting action movie with likable characters. In that sense, the writing did its job.

Like, the problem I have with the kind of criticism you're making is that it really feels like it's coming from a very formulaic, by-the-numbers, script-software understanding of what makes a character good and what it means for a character to progress. And it just seems to me that the formula in itself is meaningless if the characters are good. And I think that Rey was likable, and I think there's plenty of room for growth in her own self-understanding and self-knowledge if not in her fighting skills.

And basically at the end of the day I was really satisfied with what I saw onscreen - not that it was flawless, of course, there were plenty of things that could have been better, but I really enjoyed it. And so, you know, I don't give a shit about whether it did or did not meet some external marker for What Character Development Means.

SA - I actually read a few of the other responses so I thought that I would expectation-set a little here: I think where a lot of people are coming from is that, like, we're at a point in history where a ton of movie nerds are intimately familiar with the techniques and structures and ideas behind movie scriptwriting, to the point where those ideas can sometimes inform a huge part of the conversation about movies. And I think where people get frustrated is when it feels like those ideas - which are, basically, tools for writing movies, and not really so much critical rules for what makes a movie good or bad - become a dominant part of the conversation about movies. It feels like the conversation is a level removed from the actual experience of watching the movie. And that's very frustrating sometimes.

And so I think that's what people are responding to here - in particular, the way that you're talking about character development sets off a lot of those warning bells, as well as the idea that the plot is "formulaic". And also the whole question about nostalgia is its own super-weighted-down minefield of arguments and assumptions that I don't even want to get into.

So, you know, sorry if people are snapping at you, but I think that's why. I think there's a lot of productive criticisms to be made but, like, I would be really curious about why you thought that Rey specifically didn't work for you, or why you did or did not enjoy the plot. You know what I mean?

+100000000000 to EVERYTHING here.

It frustrates me to no end that people really do not realize that these things are absolutely nothing but tools. They are not rules. They are tools that developed recently and did not exist for stories a long time ago and once people come up with more/better tools to tell stories in the future, they will cease to be relevant. Not that they're bad or anything, but they are entirely optional. Storytelling is very much a conversation between writer and audience, and while it needs a set of conventions for practical reasons, these conventions are very flexible and changeable.

Thank you. I'm "here we go again" anon and you very elaborately said what I felt and would have tried to express if I hadn't been drunk texting from my smartphone

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