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For all things mythology related (fictional and/or historical).

I need to find a good book on Irish mythology. I've downloaded a couple of mythology podcasts but have not had a change to try them out. :(

http://36.media.tumblr.com/66d8358c2ecc0506fc21ce1c56bbf7ab/tumblr_o1li2cwKxv1r4sqyeo1_500.jpg

I own this one and it's pretty good.

I...don't know if that is what you meant to send?

Oh sweet baby Jesus, no. No no no no no.

Let's try this again.

http://www.amazon.com/Celtic-Fairy-Tales-Joseph-Jacobs/dp/1907360182/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1456966819&sr=1-1&keywords=celtic+fairy+tales+joseph+jacobs

That looks a bit more like what you meant to send. :P

Thanks for the rec.

Please stop. I'm in tears.

That was a mistake!

Obviously, I meant to post this one: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51%2B3x9k82mL._SX311_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

OK, now you're just trying to bankrupt me.

Chuck Tingle, where have you been all my life???

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Dying rn.I'm going to believe you own that one.

Edited 2016-03-03 03:23 (UTC)

It is F!S mythology now.

I was actually looking forward to Gods of Egypt when I first heard about it (back before any of the casting was known and it was just a description). I would love a big budget movie for pantheons other than Roman/Greek to get the Clash of the Titans treatment. I don't know as much about Egyptian mythology (though I do know Isis from Mighty Max!). I've done some research into other mythology but it's fun to see them reimagined up on the big screen.

I actually just saw it yesterday!

It's dumb and fun. I hesitate to say something like "it's not accurate to the mythology", but let's just say it's a reimagining of certain ideas, gods, and plots. I agree though that it's fun to see other mythologies get a bit of attention! I want more Norse mythology myself (and kind of resent Marvel's Thor for monopolizing that base).

I agree. I like the Thor movies but I'd also love to see real Norse mythology (or a version of "real" that could pass for a Wrath/Clash of a Titans movie). There are some great stories in Norse mythology and some great characters.

I think I might end up liking Gods of Egypt anyway since I liked the Wrath/Clash movies and Immortals. If I didn't think the execution re: casting was going to be like Gods of Egypt, I would love to see more Native American mythology movies. But I generally hope for just more non-Greek/Roman myth movies in general. I do love the Greek/Roman ones but they seem to tread the same ground.

I'm currently looking into Inti and the other Inca gods. There's not much about them out there, which is (sadly) not surprising. There are very few myths out there. Most websites just mention the creation myth and leave it at that. :(

I'm also reading about Jack-of-the-Green, Tom Tildrum (the king of the cats), and some Egyptian goddesses.

Are the Incans the ones whose religion revolved around taking care of their dead (to the point where the dead owned property)?

I haven't stumbled across anything like that. They buried their dead in caves carved into cliffs, and they were always in a fetal position. They do have mummies, and some of the royal mummies were trotted out every now and then for ceremonies. Some were buried with stuff, but there's very little detail about it, and almost no pictures.

I'm a huge mythology fan. I actually do academic work in European pagan religions (though I've studied a bit of East Asian myth/native religions, too, but it's been awhile).

What I'm the most interested in is variance within the "same religion" and religious identity. Basically, that is, religious identity doesn't much exist at all until the rise of Christianity, let alone a self-identification with paganism. And between two different villages, you could have completely different ideas about gods and myths! For example, Thor was considered the all-powerful king-god in many Germanic areas, not Odin. I also love adoption/adaptation of gods. It's really interesting to see, for example, who the Romans considered Jupiter to be before the deity predominantly absorbed the Greek Zeus. I like how gods could bounce around the continent, under different names or variations of the same name, picking up pieces of myths here and there. Pre-Christian religious outlook was amazing, though to be fair, Christianity did a fair bit of absorption/adaptation itself.

.../nerd. I could talk about mythology for approximately forever.

That's really interesting. I remember reading somewhere about how Aphrodite used to be the local Mother Goddess and was subsumed into the Greek Pantheon. The original Mother Goddess figure that you see in really old religions fascinates me. I'd love to know what kinds of rituals they had for her (you can see a tiny many-breasted figure of her that I think it neolithic). The play between this really powerful female goddess and what happens to her in myths really shows how the gender roles shifted and were viewed by different societies (I think).

I agree about the variation in the deities. Whenever I'm looking them up, it's always so curious to see how the traits of one god end up in another god, or how one story can be ascribed to different gods. I hadn't considered that they'd be that varied from village to village (I thought it was more "country" and time), so that's interesting but it makes sense. My logistics-loving heart is curious about the ways travel and daily life affected that kind of thing.

I'm also fascinated by ancient Celtic religion since so little appears to have survived. I'd love to know more about their rituals and what kind of knowledge they had.

/not as well versed but also a mythology nerd

I'm not super familiar with Aphrodite as a mother goddess, but that was the case with Artemis/Diana! I went to Turkey, and in a museum in Istanbul a popular portrayal of Artemis was as a many-breasted goddess (Artemis of Ephesus). I bought a copy of it in the museum's gift store, I thought it was Super cool, especially since the most popular surviving conception of Artemis is as a virgin goddess, not really associated with motherhood.

I love the variation too, because it's kind of interesting sociologically. Not to imply that rivalry between different gods or whatever didn't exist, but groups were pretty quick to "associate" certain gods from other cultures as being the same god as one from their culture. Such as what the Romans did when they conquered Germanic and Celtic areas. That's how we got the days of the week, after all, since the Roman days were "translated" into names corresponding with Germanic counterparts.

I also so wish there was more surviving about the Celtic religion. I think some of what makes Northern European mythology so interesting is that it was "illiterate". You occasionally get tiny bits of information coming from missionary writings, or even more indirectly through the various things that were made illegal once paganism was outlawed... but yeah. I always hope one day we'll find an in-depth encyclopedia on Celtic paganism buried in some mound somewhere that dates to the seventh century or earlier. We can hope, right?

I think a lot of the Greek goddesses started out as local Mother Goddesses that were later incorporated into the Greek pantheon. The Artemis thing sounds familiar. I know there was a meteor that was recovered and shaped into a many-breasted statue (I think for Diana). I think one of the Seven Wonders of the World was built to house it. (As an aside, this is one of my other fascinations. Did you know that ancient Greeks did find dinosaur and mammoth/other extinct animal bones? Archeologists used to find them in their digs and just dismissed them as being unrelated to their dig, but now there's some thought that Greeks actually collected them and might've been inspired by those bones for some of their mythological monsters.)

I find illiterate societies to be fascinating. I'd actually love to hear the original Beowulf because I'm personally convinced that the Christian elements were added later, so it would be really interesting to see what it originally looked like.

On a similar note, I'm curious about all the "secret" knowledge that priests and tradesmen had. I wonder if there was profound knowledge that was lost when one of them died too soon. But I also look at some of the showboat-tricks that Roman/Greek temples put in place to drum up money, and it makes religion seem like big business. The dichotomy is fascinating.

I've studied a fair bit about northern European paganism. It's so fascinating!

One of my favorite tidbits is the viking Buddhas. There's just so little known about pre-Christian religious practicies there. And most of what's known is very tinted by a Christian mindset. I come from a polytheist background myself so this is very apparent to me. Few scholars seem to consider that a polytheist would have very little trouble accepting the existence of other gods, or even paying them occasional tribute, without that signifying a total conversion.

Christianity says you can have no other gods, and lays down lots of absolute laws on it's followers (though how much this was enforced during conversion periods varies) but other faiths don't have these sorts of all-or-nothing rulings.

There's also the fact that the pagan gods we are familiar with today are not necessarily the same that were well-known back then, and also that existing recordings such as Snorri's work may totally distort the "original" stories to make them more palatable to the Church. Things like Lokatattur definitely suggest later reworking of the myths.

Yeah, exactly! You know, the Romans often accused Christians of being atheists, in fact, because they denied the existence of most of the gods. Not to generalize the pagan mindset - atheism isn't new, neither is viewing the gods more as spiritual symbols than literal beings that drag the sun across the sky, that was very much present in society back then. But the "pagan mindset" if you will, was not exclusive and for the most part it wasn't organized, especially in illiterate areas. There wasn't a centralized pagan church, beyond -maybe- a king participating in religious rituals or being considered a demi-god or something. Exclusivity to the point of denying other gods was a fairly radical idea, and it really confused the Romans. Sure, the Jews did it too, but they at least mostly kept to themselves, unlike the Christians. It's a really fascinating comparison, and it's pretty cool to read polemics of the time. Reading stuff by, say, Porphyry, Julian the Apostate, Celsus, and all these philosophers who were brought into the debate is really interesting.

And yes, you are absolutely right. We tend to think we know more about Norse mythology just because there's some pretty rich Icelandic material, but what people don't always realize is that Snorri Sturluson wrote long after the Viking Age, and he himself identified, at least ostensibly, as a Christian. His creation myth includes a volcano - which exists in Iceland. But there are no volcanoes in Scandinavia. I do believe Snorri probably was writing down a lot of folklore, but I also am fairly confident he made a lot of it up, or things were adapted in the hundreds of years after Scandinavia officially converted to Christianity. Now, myths being adapted is entirely within the spirit of paganism. But the point is, what people actually believed still is pretty mysterious, and our understanding of mythology today doesn't necessarily reflect what pre-Christian peoples believed.

http://archiveofourown.org/works/143758

I have a love/hate feeling about Greek mythology, as adult assessment of it has made me aware of what a pack of utter bastards the Greek gods were.

I have a bit of fondness for Hindu myth, like the story of Shiva and Sati.

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