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It's pretty socially acceptable to say to a strange kid 'Don't do that', and even gently hold them by the arm to restrain them if they insist on acting badly.

Erm... If you're a dude, don't ever do that. Even if you're not a dude don't do that. So many kids today carry weapons.

...I'd call the police if I saw a kid with a weapon where I'm from, but I'll take your word for it.

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Strangers really shouldn't be grabbing little kids if not to save their lives, and adult men in particular are way more likely to be suspected to be up to no good, but uh.........who carries weapons?

I think remonstrating them is fine, but I don't know about actually physically restraining them. Probably not worth incurring a parent's wrath.

Maybe like, hold an arm out to stop them from getting near the birds or something. Something like that.

Jesus no!

Where do you live? Here that would be child abuse!

Stopping kids from stomping on birds is child abuse?

Did the cartoonish Liberal La La Land of Republican fever dreams come to life and you live there or something?

Holding out an arm between the child and the birds isn't child abuse, nonny. You wouldn't even be touching the kid, necessarily.

I think you are perfectly in your rights to physically restrain the kid because what they are committing is a possible offense (animal cruelty) and you're performing a citizen's arrest.

Until you have to go to court for child abuse...also, I don't think citizen's arrests exist in my country.

Whether or not a citizen's arrest is valid varies from country to country and within the U.S., from state to state, though.

This is terrible advice and will be unlikely to save you if a parent calls the cops because you're physically assaulting their child. You might think I'm exaggerating, but in the U.S. at least, the law is very open to interpretation about what "assault" means.

Actually, I do think you are exaggerating. Sow me a case where holding a child back from committing an act of violence toward animals or objects was ruled assault?

"Assault" can, under U.S. laws be defined as "the violation of one's personal space or touching in a way the victim deemed inappropriate". Intent does not necessarily enter into it. Don't believe me? Walk up a cop and grab his or her arm in an effort to prevent them from doing whatever it is they're doing. While they're handcuffing you for assaulting a police officer, be sure to yell that you were only doing it to prevent them from committing an act of violence and do come back and let us know how patient and understanding they were toward you.

This law applies to both adults AND children, and it's arguably harsher when it's a child: "A threat made to a child might be sufficient to constitute an assault, while an identical threat made to an adult might not."

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/assault

Arguing that you meant well by grabbing a kid won't necessarily excuse you, if the parent chooses to press charges. Just accept your "advice" was poorly considered, nonny.

I was asking if you can give me a precedent. You apparently can't. And your police example is just dumb.

I honestly don't know whether you're serious or trolling, but in the U.S., the legal definition of "assault" is open to interpretation. If you spit on someone, that can be construed as assault. Grabbing their arm? Assault. Blocking someone's way can also be construed as assault. If you're a stranger who grabs another person's kid, be prepared for that parent to raise holy hell. Arguing that you were just trying to stop them from hurting the birds will not hold any water with the parent OR the police, because you could've easily done that without touching the child.

Don't touch other peoples' children as a punitive action. Just don't.

Of course it will hold water if I tried to stop them verbally and they didn't listen. And of course assault is broadly defined. Of course spitting on someone or restraining them can be an assault. But stopping someone from committing a crime is expressly allowed. Why the hell are all of you so fucking cowed by some (imagined?) examples of people exploiting the law?

"... and even gently hold them by the arm to restrain them if they insist on acting badly."

Nah. This may well get you in trouble and it's not good advice. It's one thing to actually lay hands on a child if you're preventing them from harming themselves, but as even a mild form of discipline? You risk a parent going apeshit on you.

oh gosh no. Don't restrain 10 y.o. kids if you think they're in the wrong. They're capable of understanding language. It's wrong to restore to psysical forse against someone just because they're weaker than you.

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