[ SECRET POST #3351 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3351 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 041 secrets from Secret Submission Post #479.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Tumblr-style Snape-hate, accusations that shippers are pedophiles (glances upthread in disgust), or the insistence that Snape is old and ugly and The Actual Worst, and therefore no one should ship him

I don't even read Snape fic, and that stuff bothers the hell out of me, too. I'm surprised Snape-hating anon hasn't shown up yet in this thread to remind everyone what a big meanie he is.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

For me, it's partly because it's one instance of a more widespread and obnoxious attitude within fandom. The shipping police and finger-shaking moralists have as much perspective as a swarm of locusts. Fans who ship a dark or fucked-up character aren't going to appreciate being told they're supporting rape culture or enabling stalkers, thank you very much.

Also, most posters who insist that Snape is a textbook Nice Guy or that Lily "friendzoned" him and Snape "stalked" her either weren't paying attention to that narrative arc, demonstrate dubious reading comprehension, or are too busy grinding their axes to care about character complexity and authorial intent.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Well said on all counts.

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair to that Snape-hater, he is a big meanie. Snape couldn't have cared less about Voldemort killing not just James, but also Lily's child. He was a fedora stalker who only cared about his misguided m'lady, who had inexplicably fallen for an asshole instead of a Satanic emo who doesn't wash.

It's really hard to imagine that he would end up wanting to fuck that child.

[(Anonymous)]

Speak of the devil.

[(Anonymous)]

"Satanic emo who doesn't wash"

ngl, I laughed

[(Anonymous)]

So did I.

[(Anonymous)]

a fedora stalker who only cared about his misguided m'lady … a Satanic emo

Yeah, this is the kind of discourse I meant. It has nothing to do with JKR's characters or books. These are faux-political buzzwords that ignore any subtlety in storytelling, any character development, any tragic irony, any dramatic tension between Snape's flaws and mistakes and the actions he took that contributed to Voldemort's defeat and his own death. Snape's an ugly, impoverished, working-class kid with a bitter, thwarted, self-loathing center; he destroys Lily's life and ruins his own, and he knows he's to blame. That knowledge doesn't suddenly make him good or even likable. That's an interesting story - a sideline and tangled background to the foreground epic of Harry's sacrifices, as well as a distorted mirror to both Harry and Voldemort, who also suffered from childhood lack of love and whose first real home was also Hogwarts.

If you like speculating about damaged characters who reject half their own heritage, the pros and cons of redemptive narratives, and life from the asshole's perspective, Snape is great fun.

But hey, fedoras! Emos! M'ladies! Trendy is the sign of true progressiveness, right?

It's really hard to imagine that he would end up wanting to fuck that child.

Well, hey, sorry for your lack of imagination there, dude. Let me introduce you to fandom, where anything is possible.

[(Anonymous)]

Trendy is the sign of true progressiveness, right?

Ha! Especially when performed in word salad.

[(Anonymous)]

tl;dr

[(Anonymous)]

You mean "too attached to my prejudices;didn't dare"

This is one of my pet hates in replies. Not big or clever.

/before you leap, never even read the HP books beyond no 3, let alone fandom

[(Anonymous)]

Without buzz words, it boils down to:

Snape couldn't have cared less about Voldemort killing Harry. It's really hard to imagine that he would end up wanting to fuck that child.

And there's really no arguing with that. And any sort of imagination is fine, really. Just don't try to argue the fic is canon-compliant, a superior pairing, or use other pretexts to defend your underage kink. Kink doesn't need excuses, it only makes it worse.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you the anon who was crying in GC last week about being lonely?

Just trying to sort you trolls out in my head.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know what GC is, and I'm not trolling.

What I mean is that fandom arguments defending the pairing, or meta about it, does a disservice to pairings like snarry. The pairing is fine, like any other, but explaining it and justifying it just smacks of look at my special snowflake id! You'd have a lot more fun in fandom if you ignored SJWs who attack your ships. This goes for the Supernatural incest anons in the comments of the other secret too.

[(Anonymous)]

Tell me another one.

You seem to be the anon who goes around poking everyone about their ships just so you can call them a baby when they get defensive, so yeah, you're either a troll or an asshole.