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Fanon is not canon. FANON. IS NOT. CANON. Your headcanon is cool and all but SHUT UP I don't have to do the thing if I don't want to.

I'm also really against 'Death of the Author. I don't care that the best example, JK Rowling, didn't put things in her books. She made the universe, not the fans, and she gets to decide how it works. You don't have to like it or include it in your fic, heaven knows there's things I don't like and don't include, but that doesn't make it not real. Books have a limited amount of space, unless she publishes 'Harry Potter and the Encyclopedic World Building', it's not all going to fit. Let her have her fun and reveal her background info. No one said you had to use it, just stop being an asshole about it.

that's not death of the author.

actual death of the author is a concept used in criticism and discussion where a work's meaning and theme can be discussed and analyzed separate of the original creator's intent. it does not obviate the author's original intent; it does not absolve a living author from giving input on their work if/when it is controversial. it is strictly an intellectual conceit used for analysis.

Huh, I thought I'd seen Death of the Author used to refer to this situation. My bad!

ayrt - Oh, I'm sure you have! I don't mean to pick on you. It's something that has gotten misconstrued repeatedly, but in general the meaning has maintained.

No, I understand! You're not the only one bringing that up.

I agree, that's annoying. People feel so strongly about wanting JKR to stop playing in her own sandbox and it just reeks of entitlement to me :/

Seriously. Especially because fans spent years begging her to do this exact thing.

No, it speaks for respect for the process of writing, of which %90 involves killing your sweet little good ideas through the process of editing. There's not reason to give every dumb statement that comes unedited into a microphone equal weight to the process.

But this isn't stuff that's going into her books? which are already done anyway? like they're talking about her tweets, or maybe the stuff she's publishing to expand the universe, none of which says she isn't editing her writing process

ETA: rereading: maybe they're talking about stuff like saying after the fact that Dumbledore is gay? or that so-and-so got married?

which still leaves me a little confused. is it uncommon for authors to answer questions or make comments about their universe after? how do you know she didn't discard plenty of other ideas? and people are still free to not have so-and-so get married in their fic, or whatever.

Edited 2016-03-09 03:57 (UTC)

I disagree about the last one. Well, to some extent. To me, as a rule, "canon" is only what exists in the narrative itself. It's not that author intent should be discounted or anything, it's just it's not canon to me in the same way. After all, what happens when an author, ten, twenty, thirty years down the line suddenly changes something about the work? Reminds me of when Anne Rice rewrote Lestat as a repentant Christian. I don't buy that characterization and I don't consider it canon, and I don't feel bad about that.

But at the same time, no fan interpretation is more canon, obviously. Absolutely the author has every right to create new works in the same world, to say whatever they want to say about it, and entitled fans are obnoxious.

So, no Frank Miller Batman or Berman/Piller Trek?

I'm not bugged by people who disagree, I'm just bugged by people who are massive assholes about it. But I would still personally say that, going with the Anne Rice example, her interpretation of her own text is more valid of my own. It's just that I hate her interpretation so I would acknowledge it and then thoroughly ignore it.

Fanon is not canon.

Stupid #1. Canon was a joke, it should have remained a joke.

I'm also really against 'Death of the Author.

Stupid #2. Since that's not Death of the Author, and Word of God is little more than an exercise in amateurism.

Oooooh goooooodnesssss meeee, those amateurs.

Stupid #1. Canon was a joke, it should have remained a joke.

Stupid # 1: Assuming that that line refers only to one Canon and that your opinion of that Canon invalidates my point, which is that stuff like 'Oh Sherlock Holmes is Autistic' is NOT actual canon and should not be treated as such.

Stupid #2. Since that's not Death of the Author, and Word of God is little more than an exercise in amateurism.

Stupid #2 Somebody already corrected me on that, and it's not 'amateur' to have opinions on your own text.

Stupid #3: Disagreeing with something I said and therefor being insulting when you could have just as easily said 'I disagree and this is why.' Seriously? You're not being charged for manners and it doesn't take a whole lot more effort.

Perfect rebuttal, and I agree on all counts.

Thank you, much appreciated.

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