[ SECRET POST #3356 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3356 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Either you're from somewhere with a very different system of racial categorization than the United States, or you're being deliberately obtuse. The U.S. may have left the one-drop rule behind (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule), but the underlying belief that a relatively small percentage of black heritage is sufficient to make a person black still lingers.

[(Anonymous)]

And his being Asian doesn't count?

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Depends what you mean by "count." If you're asking, is it possible/likely that someone's being 1/4 Asian constitutes an important part of their cultural and familial identity? Yes, of course.

If you're asking, does American society in general consider people who are 1/4 Asian to be non-white to the same degree that they consider people who are 1/4 black to be non-white? In my experience, no. I haven't seen any formal studies regarding this, though; feel free to share any that you've come across.

[(Anonymous)]

He's a Buddhist monk, how many black people,are Buddhist monks?

[(Anonymous)]

The obvious answer is: there aren't many black Buddhist monks, but there are some.

The less obvious but more pertinent response is: How does the percentage of black Buddhist monks have any bearing on how American society in general ascribes whiteness or non-whiteness to mixed-race people?

[(Anonymous)]

Because you're trying to argue that his blackness overrides his asianness.

[(Anonymous)]

1) No, I'm not. I said that I thought being 1/4 black would "override" being considered white in the opinion of many Americans. I also avoided mentioning in that comment whether I thought being 1/4 Asian would "override" being considered white in the opinion of many Americans, because ime that's less clear-cut. It may be true, it may not; all I can say is that I think it's a more ambiguous situation, whereas the black/white situation is not.

I didn't say anything at all about how his being 1/4 black and 1/4 Asian would be conceptualized by American society in general. This is because I honestly don't know. There's no historical precedent I know of addressing that situation, and the only modern-day example I can think of that's even close to that is Tiger Woods, and I don't follow golf closely enough to know what race Americans generally ascribe to him. (Not to mention that a sample size of one is not exactly ideal.)

tl;dr; I'm not arguing that his blackness "overrides" his Asianness. I'm arguing that his blackness "overrides" his whiteness, and I'm declining to comment definitively on how his Asianness affects American society's perception of his race.

2) You still haven't answered my question: How does the percentage of black Buddhist monks have any bearing on how American society in general ascribes whiteness or non-whiteness to mixed-race people?

[(Anonymous)]

How is that relevant to his Asian heritage being erased from the show?

[(Anonymous)]

It's not. I was an American history major with a focus on multicultural societies in the 19th and 20th centuries, so your(?) misguided, albeit factually accurate, comment about his being 50% white caught my attention.

P.S. How does the percentage of black Buddhist monks have any bearing on how American society in general ascribes whiteness or non-whiteness to mixed-race people?

(And since I think this conversation has reached a dead end, I'll just close by saying that you ought to read about the system of classifying mixed-race people of African descent in the Americas as quadroons, octoroons, etc. for another example of a historical precedent underlying modern-day Americans' conceptualizations of race.)

[(Anonymous)]

We're not talking about society, we're talking about a fictional character who had his Asian heritage removed