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The Hobbit got everyone wrong except Bilbo and Gandalf and Galadriel and Elrond and Smaug. Everything else was bad.

The Wizard of Oz got the point wrong. Making it all a dream was stupid. Also, Dorothy was really wrong. I know, blasphemy. But in the books Dorothy is take charge and strong willed, yet in the movie she comes off as kind of weak.

Legend of the Seeker changed the characters a lot. To the better, though, for the most part. The one character they got wrong, I think, was Zed. They focused on the funny bits and ignored the rest of his personality.

Re: The Wizard of Oz. The movie and book verse are sooooo different. I've found a few adaptations to be really good (the cartoon TV series of the 80s that aired on HBO and then there was another 2 hour movie that aired on TV in the early 90s) but now the movie stands as a classic. I don't care for Wicked because it completely ignores all of the book sequels.

Your take on Oz the Great and Powerful?

I could rant for a good long while on Oz the Great and Powerful and all the things wrong with it. I hated it so much. More than I hate Wicked, and I really hate Wicked.

Why can't they do a faithful adaption? The books are awesome? Especially Ozma of Oz and Emerald City of Oz. I want an Emerald City movie. Return to Oz was actually better than the first movie, though not perfect.

The movie is so much in the public conscious, though, that it has surpassed the books and now everyone thinks of that and Wicked as being what Oz is.

Have you read the Marvel comics series? They published versions of the first six Oz books and they are gorgeous. Return to Oz is an enjoyable movie and incorporates a lot of the sequels to make one fluid movie.

This was a really well done adaptation that aired on HBO in the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wonderful_Wizard_of_Oz_%281986_TV_series%29

This took a different approach to the sequel of the 1939 movie and I liked it because of childhood nostalgia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wizard_of_Oz_%28TV_series%29

I remember this being a good adaptation and I feel like I have it recorded on VHS somewhere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wizard_of_Oz_%281982_film%29

I love the Wizard of Oz so much. On a different note, the Dorothy Must Die series goes off in a totally different direction but incorporates a lot of the sequel book ideas. I'm curious to see how the series ends.

These books were such a huge part of my childhood. I really want to reread them one of these days. I need to find my copies.

I've not seen either of these, I will have to check them out. I remember an animated version we used to own that was really good, but it isn't that one.

I have multiple copies of the first book, I'm going to end finding all of them when I finally move and can organize my books.

I just can't remember where I have them. I have book boxes here in storage, I have book boxes at my godmother's house, and I have book boxes at my sister's house. I have a lot of books.

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Oh man, Return To Oz freaked me out so bad as a kid. The Wheelers! Momby's heads! Eeek!

I was relatively unscareable as a kid. I loved it so much. I loved the bits that I recognized from the books. Weelers. Momby (although she was actually an amalgam of two book characters). The Nome King. Ozma.

Yes! every time I rant about Wizard of Oz and how it's been butchered nobody gets it :( and that's also why I despise Wicked.
One of the most astonishing things is how feminist the books are, especially for their time, and how ALL adaptations manage to mostly be... not.
And agreed that Return to Oz is the only halfway decent one.

Most people don't get it because they're focused on the film being a technical and cinematic marvel. Its importance in cinema history eclipses the source material for them. Many probably haven't even read any of those books. I mean, I've read a couple of them, enough to know the film isn't faithful, but I remember little to nothing about the story. Those songs though? Well-deserved classics.

I'm not minimizing the importance of the movie to cinema, nor how great a masterpiece it is - it just frustrates me when people act like that's the be-all end-all of Wizard of Oz, and that because of that all adaptations since are based on that movie (and most of them are lousy).

I read The Wizard of Oz for the first time recently, keeping in mind all the things that I'd heard about how it was different, and I personally didn't much change in Dorothy. The way everyone talked about her I expected her to be clever and (as much as I hate this word) "feisty" but she... wasn't really? She came off as a passive everygirl who just followed whatever instructions she'd been given at the time. Is it the rest of the series that people are referring to when they talk about awesome!Dorothy?

I guess more in the rest of the series. But I'd say at least the way she interacts with the Wicked Witch of the West is very different from the movie.

The Hobbit: to be fair, from what I remember, the dwarves weren't all that fleshed out in the book. A lot of them weren't in the movie either, but there were some with definite personalities you could tell apart. And I personally liked movie!Thorin better than book!Thorin. Other non-dwarves were changed quite a bit, and not for the better, I'll admit that.

I agree that most of the LotS changes were for the better. I would have liked more/better with Annalina and Verna (although I understand that they weren't really going into the sisters of the light) and Nicci (although they had potential at the end there that could have been more realized). I love what they did with a lot of the other characters, though. Like Darken was a million times better on the show.

I liked their Verna, but I disliked that they'd removed the nuance from Annalina's character and made her almost a villain.

Darken was better (though admittedly he was my first major villain crush so I'm a bit biased). Nicci was I'd say equally good. IDK, I really loved show Nicci (second version, first version not so much). Richard was better (less obnoxious). And while I like book Kahlan, the show did better in some ways.

I only got one ep into the Hobbit but based on that, I agree.

Also PJ's Denethor. Argh.

Ugh, Denethor, yes. I love those movies so much, but Denethor was one of the major missteps. I like John Noble, but the way the character was written was just so wrong. All the subtlety was gone.

I have to disagree about even your exceptions. Bilbo is way too much of a warrior in the Hobbit, and way too quick to fight. Gandalf uses magic against Sauron (when Istari are explicitly stated to not use their power, especially against Sauron), and they made him a bit of a Mary Sue that warped the characters around him to make him look better. Galadriel suffers from the same stuff. She drew a sword in Aqualonde but she's on the ground in Dol Guldur? She can teleport? Elrond should be the one healing Gandalf in Dol Guldur; PJ has never understood Elrond at all. I would believe Elrond would smile at a food fight. Smaug's cleverness was completely undermined by the stupid dwarf-chase. Plus, they made him a wyvern instead of a proper dragon.

All of the characterization was terrible for anyone who actually had a character in the books.

I really hate PJ's elves anyway, with an on-the-fence exception of LoTR Galadriel. There's nothing joyful in any of them, but they don't come off as grim either. Just pissy.

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