[ SECRET POST #3358 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3358 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I have to say, as a man, I find it a little disturbing that this fetish is so relatively common in women, at least women in fandom.

You know how it's creepy as hell when a woman's being tortured or killed and it's all sexualized and filmed like it was a sex scene, and it makes you think "Jesus Christ, are men getting off on watching this? Do they fantasize about me in that way?" It's like that.

[(Anonymous)]

I see your point. I think the issue people have with torture porn featuring women is that it's frequently about the power trip of having control. In media when men are getting beat up (usually by other men, not women) it seems to be more about the hurt/comfort aspect, and because it's much rare to see men in a position that vulnerable. It's common for women, but unusual to see that level of both physical and emotional vulnerability in a man. I suspect that's the draw, and I suspect that if the media did show men to be emotionally vulnerable in the same way they frequently show women to be, it wouldn't be as much of a kink. Just my theories, though!

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Oh indeed, I get that it manifests differently, and is based in different emotional spaces, but at the same time, you can see how it's still kinda disturbing. Gendered stuff is WEIRD, ain't it?

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, yes. Weird and disturbing, for two different reasons, which makes it even weirder!

[harp]

and because it's much rare to see men in a position that vulnerable.

Strictly on the subject of the rarity of images of vulnerable-looking men (minus all implications of sexuality), I think that's part of the reason so many people like pictures of grown men holding babies.

[(Anonymous)]

Not the OP, but Dean Winchester (or most male characters) getting hurt or beaten up in a story are not the victims of sexualized violence in the plot or the way it's shot.

And a lot of women who like the hurt part also like the comfort fantasy afterward.

[tabaqui]

He is, though, in some scenes. Not to the extent of women, but a lot of demons and other monsters really get off on touching Dean and talking about him sexually while they rough him up. Obviously, it's not super-explicit, but Dean definitely carries a lot of the feminine stuff in the duo.

Particularly in reviews for season one, Shelia O'Malley really investigates and enlarges on that (as well as being just over all awesome in deconstruction the technical side of tv shows and cinematography).

http://www.sheilaomalley.com/?tag=supernatural

[(Anonymous)]

Well I mean, sometimes violent scenes against women are filmed/treated in a pretty obviously sexualized way, so...

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

That is exactly what I said, yes. What comes after your ellipsis?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm the ultimate creepy. I get off on both. Maybe because I'm bisexual and into violent sex?

[(Anonymous)]

Thank god you said it first. It's nice not to be alone.

Well, I'm heterosexual and biromantic so I like violent sex with dudes and then soft cuddling with women, but it all gets bound up nicely in the hurt/comfort fantasy thing.

[(Anonymous)]

oh my gosh can I just say how amazing it is to see someone identify as that because I do but i never feel confident enough to say it out loud since it feels like a cop-out and anyway it's cool knowing there's someone else

[(Anonymous)]

I feel you on this.

The fetishizing of a woman being hurt usually happens as a part of actual canon.

But the fetishizing part of of a man being hurt is usually in the fangirl's mind/fanfic. (so on a minor scale where it's not really being reinforced by the medium.)

[(Anonymous)]

As another man, I don't. I would expect the existence of enjoyment of sexualized violence in both genders to be similar, and finding that it is so doesn't bother me.

It would bother me more if it were only women or only men, meaning something is odd about the other one.

Enjoying fictional violence =/= being violent IRL

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but violence against women in media is often sexualized automatically.

[(Anonymous)]

That has nothing to do with the original post or my response so I don't know what you're driving at. Explain?

[(Anonymous)]

Wrong thread. Chill.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh? I was being chill. Don't read comments so defensively.

[(Anonymous)]

Sexualized violence against women makes me want to throw up, honestly. There's so much of it in the real world and it feels like it's lovingly portrayed as a beautiful thing "aww, look how she suffers! How sexy she is!!" Also violence in general makes me uncomfortable. I'm also uncomfortable with lots of graphic violence against men, although it rarely seems to be filmed in such a sexualized way. I do like it when characters who get through something bad are taken care of, though, I must admit. I'd rather not have to see the pain inflicted, but having a character be rescued or taken care of by another character (honest, either gender) is really moving to me. I like it when people show caring for others and take care of one another instead of reinforcing the "it's a flesh wound, shake it off, be badass" trope so much media seems into.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but when it's a male main character being hurt in a hot way, the storyline usually focuses on his strength and how he gets up again afterwards and succeeds. When it's a female main character, the storyline is usually about how the men around her react. It's a very different dynamic.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you really not understand how fantasy works, dude?

Women are getting off on it because IT'S NOT FUCKING REAL.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's wonderful that this is a common fetish in fandom because I am so goddamn tired of the popular narrative in society that women either a.) have absolutely no sex drive or b.) only get off on being abused, submissive, dominated, etc. I hope the "women enjoy men getting beat up and woobified" notion gets more popular amongst normies.

Also, there is far more media out there of sexualized violence against women than sexualized violence against men, to the point where it's considered the norm, so. Maybe stop being a judgmental dick?