[ SECRET POST #3358 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3358 ⌋

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Comments

[philstar22]

Hmmm. I don't agree with that. I think her character arc is more about her arrogance and learning humility and wisdom. Like, I've said before that I think that the Galadriel of the Silmarillion wouldn't have given her hairs to Sam any more than she gave them to Feanor. It wasn't just that she didn't like Feanor, though that was there too. Her willingness to give those hairs to Sam shows how much she's changed. It isn't about Celeborn. She loves him all along, and just choosing him, a Sindar elf, was a brave choice that probably bothered her family.

[(Anonymous)]

You just contradicted herself. I agree that it was about her arrogance and needing humility, which means her staying was about her. If she stayed for Celeborn, it was the tiniest part and only a mask for her own desires. She stayed because now she had the opportunity to rule and she took it.

I also don't think choosing him was a brave choice. Why would she care what the Feanorians think, and why would Fingolfin's side care? Her immediate family had met Thingol and the others in Doriath and shared her family connection to the Teleri. Celeborn was a good choice, and there is no textual evidence that anyone thought otherwise. I honestly can't see Finrod or Orodreth or Aegnor and Angrod having an issue with it, or her putting up with it. We've already seen their conflict with the Feanorians. If the Feanorians were bothered, Galadriel probably would've been thrilled. I don't think it was a hard choice at all.

[philstar22]

Okay, have you read beyond the Silmarillion? Because there is a bit, I can't remember if it is in the Unfinished Tales or the Lost Tales, but one of them explicitly says that she stays in Middle Earth for Celeborn.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I've read the Silm. And UT and Lost Tales and HoME. Tolkien completely does a 180 on her. He bends over backwards not to make her a kinslayer when everything in LOTR only makes sense if she was under that ban. She is consistently shown as wanting to rule, from start to finish. Silm even says so when they leave Valinor (until Tolkien decided to change that in UT - if you want to accept his later bullshit, fine, but don't force it on the rest of us).

(Not to mention that the stories are Noldor revisionist bullshit so of course they would say that to make her look better, but that's a different argument.)

[philstar22]

I wasn't forcing it. All I was doing was saying that it is part of my interpretation. I never said you had to agree. I gave my opinion, you disagreed, I explained why I have that opinion.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, then maybe you should take up the practice of putting more "I believe" and "I think" in your statements because you come off as sounding authoritative on subjects that are not actually fact. This is not the first time I've had this sense from you. You might avoid future arguments if you were clearer with what was your opinion. Personally, I don't argue with people's opinions.

[(Anonymous)]

DA. Harr harr. you have done nothing but that in this thread, and have come across as pushy and trying to claim an authority you don't have.

[(Anonymous)]

Only in response to the authority she's claiming. If she's going to state things as fact that aren't facts, then I'm going to point that out. She set the tone of this in her initial statement.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I'd say more Lothlorien revisionist bullshit, but that's coming from the Silmaril RPer whose muses dislike Galadriel.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Personally I think your idea of her matches mine - she was arrogant and ambitious and staying in Middle-Earth after the War of Wrath was based heavily on that, but I want to think she loved her husband as well.

It was Gimli she gave hairs to. Sam she gave a box of dirt and a mallorn seed to.

[philstar22]

Yes, right, Gimli. I'm a little overtired.