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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-03-14 07:00 pm

[ SECRET POST #3358 ]


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(Anonymous) 2016-03-15 09:49 pm (UTC)(link)
lol

when people say this it tells me they don't know shit about how to actually persuade people and are probably piss poor activists who just like shouting at people for justifiable and moral reasons.

To actually persuade people you need to be able to shelve your outrage or your ego or whatever and be able to be humble and look at the person you're talking to and trying to persuade as a person and not the enemy.

You need to be clever and self aware, able to at least appear open minded, and humble, to persuade anyone. You need to not see them as one of the same as the "bad guys" , not "the Oppressor" but a person.

When I say you have to be humble I don't mean you need to agree with and accept horrible bigoted behavior, of course. What I mean is, you need to be willing to accept that they won't just understand you in the way you think they ought to. Which a lot of people who whine about not "coddling egos/feelings" or whatever, refuse to do. Instead of stamping your feet and complaining when they don't understand your point the first time, you need to be able to stop and think to find a method that will work.

Here's a fact , most people don't like to feel bad. It's a natural reflex of the brain to avoid that feeling for a lot of people. It doesn't matter if you think they deserve to, making them feel bad because they don't agree with your right belief is only going to result in them walking away, and being hostile to the ideology you're trying to force on them.

Example: There was a PSA movie a while ago called "All You Need Is Love" that showed people what gay and lesbian people go through by showing a straight person in a world where gay is the norm. A lot of people complained about this method of "making gay people's struggles all about straight people" and how it was offensive. But guess what, for some people it worked. There were a lot of people who responded with variations of "I get it now" and understanding.

People griped about how it was wrong and sad that it takes this to get them to understand. But it worked. Maybe it didn't work the way some people think it ought to have, but it made viewers who were probably ignorant understand what it's like to be in a world where they're told that their feelings are wrong. For some people putting themselves in someone else's shoes (which is literally what they did, they ended the movie with a message about how it was based on the experiences of gay people.) It did the equivalent of asking someone "how would you feel if people treated you that way for being straight?"

It's not "coddling oppression" nor is it "treating privileged groups with kid gloves". We're talking about being civil to people and not trying to change their mind with hostility and telling them they're the problem for being part of a group.

If civility is coddling to you, you're not going to do anything but drive people who might understand away.

(Anonymous) 2016-03-16 05:12 am (UTC)(link)
if you don't think that terrible "All You Need is Love" short movie was anything but handling a group with kid gloves, you're delusional tbh. it's practically the definition of it.