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[ SECRET POST #3365 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3365 ⌋

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Agreed. Disliked the book, liked the movie relatively well.

Meh, I still like the book more but I agree that the 6th book was probably the least good. (I like the 7th least, but at least it had a strong storyline and resolution, whereas the 6th felt like half a story.)

For some reason I feel like the sixth movie sticks out least in my mind? idk

The fifth book was probably my least favorite, but the sixth certainly wasn't the most stellar to me either. My perception of it is tainted though by the fact that a kid purposefully spoiled the ending for me though.

Awww the 5th book was my favorite by far (though I loved all the books.) Why was it your least favorite?

That's my recollection but I haven't read it in a long time. I've read all the books at least twice, but it's been several years...I should do a reread. (I am doing a movie re-watch so maybe I'll do a book re-read after that)

I think it had to do with Harry being super moody and the book just being overall much darker than the others...but in hindsight I don't think moody!Harry would bother me very much now, in fact I'd probably empathize with him quite a bit more. He was rather blown off after all.

The moody always made sense to me given what he went through in book 4. And then he wasn't at all moody in book 6 and that made so much less sense. I have to tell myself that he was burying his feelings, because otherwise it seems like he didn't care about Sirius at all.

(new anon)

you might like it a lot more if you reread it! Both of my parents really disliked OotP their first read-through, but loved it the second. It's definitely a... frustrating book. Harry spends a lot of it moody and shut out of everything. But I personally think it's the strongest of the series because Harry's reactions to everything really ring true in a way that they don't in the last two books.

Empathizing may not necessarily help. I definitely understood why Harry was so angry in the fifth book, and felt for him, but that didn't really make it enjoyable to read a book filtered through that mindset.

(It was the opposite for me, honestly - some of his reactions hit close enough to home to be genuinely discomforting to read.)

Agreed. They edited most of the baby giant shit out too, which I appreciated.

I didn't exactly hate Grawp in the books but I'm glad they cut it for the movie. It wasn't the best part to include.

I don't like any of the films better than the books. But I agree the 6th film was really well done. It's one that I'm drawn to rewatch time and time again.

It seems like lots of fans dislike books 6 & 7 the most, and I can't help feeling it's because they had developed so many beloved ships and headcanons by the time HBP came out that they would have hated anything she wrote.

I don't like the canon ships and I still loved book 7. This was what actually caused me to leave the particular corner of the fandom I was in because they all insisted that you couldn't hate the canon ships and still like the book.

I agree with the Secret maker that for me it was the characters in book 6. A lot of people talked about how mean Ginny was in that book, but I honestly felt like Harry, Ron, and Hermione were all just as bad or worse. Everyone was just awful. But it was also that the story was for the most part dull. I liked the Harry and Dumbledore stuff, Tom Riddle's memories, and the end stuff. But the other stuff was really boring.

Then again, I don't much like the 6th movie either until the end. Just nothing much happens, the story doesn't move along all that much, and I find it kind of dull.

I thought it was refreshing to see Gryffindors act less honorably in book 6. But then I also really liked CAPSLOCK OF DOOM!Harry in book 5, so.

It would have bothered me less if I didn't feel like the narrative was supporting them? Not every instance, but there were some instances like Hermione attacking Ron with birds or Ginny flying into the stands to attack Zachariah, where I felt like the narrative actually thought what they did was justified or even awesome.

I'm totally cool with heroes making mistakes, I just don't want to be told it isn't actually a mistake.

Well, the books are from Harry's POV, so I read it that *he* felt those moments were justified. And that felt human to me.

Maybe that's just a weakness of writing from a limited POV then? I don't know. I feel there could have been ways for the narrative to get it across, and I feel like JKR actually was totally fine with those actions her characters took. It just didn't work for me personally. I tend to skip that book on rereads because I end up disliking everyone.

Ha! You call it the weakness of limited POV. I call it the pleasure of limited POV!

That's totally fine. This is just a thing for me. I don't like feeling like we're supposed to think bad actions by characters are actually good. I've felt this way about other fandoms too. And I think other authors who use a limited POV have still managed to make it clear that the action is actually bad even if the POV character doesn't think so.

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I generally don't agree with the assumption that an author necessarily agrees with or supports something that's viewed positively through a limited POV - I genuinely love unreliable narrators, so it's usually a feature for me, not a bug - but some of JKR's interviews do seem to back up the idea that she subscribes to some of her novels' protagonist-centered morality herself.

It definitely makes it a little uncomfortable to go back and re-read some parts of the books, particularly 6.

Nope not me. I wasn't impressed with 6 and 7 for reasons that had absolutely nothing to do with shipping or headcanons (I was 11-13 at the time and had no interest in shipping and had no idea fandom existed, and anyway I wound up liking all the ships that were made canon in 6 and 7).

I disliked them because I felt the the horror and supernatural phenomena were a lot less unique and more cliched than in previous books (zombie army? Really? That's not even 1/10ths as terrifying as the secret diary), the characterization was more boring especially considering how nuanced and sharp and amazing said characterization was in Book 5 (especially Harry and Hermione and Luna and Dumbledore) and the writing was more over-the-top (compare the wonderfully poignant and delicate emotion of the scenes after Harry returns from the graveyard in Goblet of Fire, to the dull excesses of Dumbledore's funeral scene).

It also had less implicit and unspoken content, less show-don't-tell, which Rowling had gotten really very good at doing in Books 4 and 5 but didn't capitalize on in 6 and 7 at all, and 6 and 7 I thought were overall just not as well written, and not in the way books 1 and 2 weren't as well written. Books 1 and 2 felt a little unpolished, a little awkward like a writer who hasn't honed her skill yet. Books 6 and 7 felt lazy and unrestrained.

Ah. I've never critiqued the books on this level because I thought they were all a little silly and sloppy when you came right down to it.

Er....lolwhut? I didn't "critique" the books "on this level." These were just my vague impressions that I remember having when I finished them when I was 11-13. I was annoyed at how boring and unscary the inferi were compared to the diary or the Dept of Mysteries. I was annoyed that Dumbledore's funeral scene was so excessive and didn't stab me like the post-climactic scenes of books 4 and 5. I was annoyed that stuff like Hermione's political insightfulness or panicky discomfort about things that didn't have a rational explanation was dropped. I was annoyed that Harry's ripping grief and trauma and existential dread from Book 5 was dropped. That's not a "critique." That's a kids' reaction, which I had.

Do you really...think that my previous comment is anything close to "critiquing"? That's...not a critique. At all. It's just a pointing out of how aspects of books 6 and 7 were disappointing in comparison to things the earlier books did well. It has nothing to do with being silly or sloppy or not being silly or sloppy.

I was emotionally affected by Books 1-5, and affected in more thought-provoking ways by books 4 and 5. I wasn't nearly as emotionally affected by Books 6 and 7, and they weren't nearly as thought-provoking either. That's not a "critique" on any "level." It's an emotional reaction.

I LOVE the movie version of HBP! One of my favorite adaptations. (And I love the book as well--probably my 3rd favorite after GOF and DH.) Anyway, I thought the movie was soooo atmospheric and aesthetic and moody--one of my favorite scenes was Harry and Hermione sitting on the steps, her asking him how does it feel, seeing Ginny with Dean, as she sobs over Ron and Lavender. The music, everything was gorgeous. And those scenes with the Tom Riddle/horcrux memories! "Which is...why I can to you, sir...it'll be our little secret." So calculated and perfect, THAT was my Tom Riddle, not the guy in CoS!

I was disappointed that there was less of the Tom Riddle stuff in the HBP film but HBP is far and away the funniest movie so I do enjoy watching it.

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