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We all know that a lot of what made Deadpool so good was the smaller budget forcing the scriptwriters to improvise and fill the gap usually filled with special effects with story and characterization instead. It seems as if the big budget is something that the critics are beating the new Batman movie up over too. So what franchise do you think would benefit from smaller budgets, and don't everyone say Transformers?

Transformers.

But also Star Trek. Looking back at the Trek franchise it seems that every time they cut the budget the movie was better. In fact the odd/even rule was due almost entirely to the even numbered movies having a smaller budget than the odd numbered ones. I think if the NuTrek movies had small budgets and less room for effects because of it, we might get better stories out of them. I'd actually like to see them drop out of A-list blockbuster rotation because that would mean less budget per movie, so less incentive to cater for the lowest common denominator.

I disagree with the major premise.

Please elaborate.

Actually I think it's the minor premise maybe? One of them anyway.

I don't agree that there's a causal connection between Daredevil having a low budget and a good script, or STID having a high budget and a bad script. star Trek was bad because of the script and direction. I don't think the budget had a major effect

A high budget means there is the temptation to put it all on the screen. You have to not just use it all, but show its use, so character scenes get cut to have special effect pieces instead. Story becomes less tight because you are looking now at just bridging from one effect to the next. That was noticeable in the Trek 2009 movie, all the meaty Nero character stuff got dumped on the cutting room floor so we could see the big explosions, and the race from Earth to Vulcan was hypercompressed in order to get from the big Moving Out scene to the big wreckage and battle scene as quickly as possible before people started to notice there wasn't a lot of story.

I agree that it's a modality of bad scriptwriting that's only available to big budget movies, but I would still say the reason the movie was bad was the script. They could have just as easily written a shitty script with a small budget. Because script quality is orthogonal to budget.

Actually I thought ST09 was okay but that's besides the point.

Is there any proof of this? Star Wars: Force Awakens had a bigger budget but seems to have done fine.

I don't think we're talking about a direct cause-and-effect. Just cases where having less budget can force the production team to be more creative and make the movie good without relying on fancy, expensive shit. Or eliminate expensive, flashy sequences that are mostly intended to show off how expensive and flashy they are without actually adding anything to the film. Conversely, you could have some movies full of probably expensive CGI shit, long, flashy battles that are utterly pointless, spending too much money on big-name actors that maybe aren't actually best for the role but the team is relying on star-power to get butts in seats...

I am pretty sure we're just talking about examples where either something benefited from having a low budget, or failed for reasons that seemed related to having a big budget.

The Hobbit. Having a large budget basically led to the movies being split into three, overuse of CGI, stuffing extra useless shit and making the last movie like one single battle.

Came here to say that. I read an article that suggested that PJ actually made it 3 movies because he wasn't sure he could cover the cost of production on 2; he was hedging his bets. If it was smaller, that wouldn't have been necessary.

Most of the goddamn MCU

I can't think of any. I think any movie can be better with a bigger budget as long as the creators know how to use it.

I don't think Deadpool was so good because they had a smaller budget, I think it was so good because most people involved really, really wanted it to succeed. Plus it was Ryan Reynolds' pet project.

Budgets of Star Trek movie theory doens't really hold up.

Star Trek: The Motion Picture $35,000,000
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan $12,000,000

Star Trek III: The Search for Spock $18,000,000
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home $24,000,000

Star Trek V: The Final Frontier $30,000,000
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country $27,000,000

Star Trek: Generations $38,000,000
Star Trek: First Contact $46,000,000

Star Trek: Insurrection $70,000,000
Star Trek: Nemesis $60,000,000

Sometimes the even movies have more money. And when there is a lower budget for the evens, it isn't that big except for the first two.

I was going to say: I didn't think there was any way Save the Whales was on the less expensive side.

lol i love that movie so much

Guardians of the Galaxy. I know that I'm in the minority disliking the movie, but I think that had there been more focus on characterization and clever, entertaining fight scenes with 95% less CGI, I might have actually enjoyed it.

Star Wars episode 1. Definitely did not need to spend so much time showing off its CGI and long-winded fight/podracing scenes.

Transformers needed a little TLC with people who actually care about the source material instead of going "Who cares? Just add explosions, the lowest common denominator loves explosions."

I also think James Cameron's Avatar needed less "Hey! Check out these shiny visuals!" and a LOT more "Hey! Check out this shiny character development!" because as it is now, the story seems tacked on because they realized oh, you actually need a story to make a movie.

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