[ SECRET POST #3367 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3367 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Jesus Christ.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, one, I don't agree that they're both rooted in the same thing necessarily, but that's a minor point and I do see where you're coming from.

My thing is, I would also call myself a liberal in the sense you're using it here. And I agree that the protests are, in a meaningful sense, illiberal. But to me, Donald Trump represents precisely the kind of threat that justifies illiberal action. This is precisely the case where these kinds of protests are justified because the basic idea of a liberal body politic is what Trump threatens.

Liberalism is not a suicide note and there are movements and views that absolutely threaten it. And ultimately to me a belief in liberalism entails a belief that sometimes there are times you have to stop this kind of threat to maintain liberalism. It's an existential threat.

But that is just my view.

Re: Jesus Christ.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I understand that view.

Where we disagree is that I don't believe anything justifies authoritarianism. Not even Trump.

Re: Jesus Christ.

[(Anonymous)]

Not anything at all? Go down with the ship and be buried on your principles, that kind of thing?

Re: Jesus Christ.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. Freedom is that important to me. Everything else depends on it in a democratic society.

Re: Jesus Christ.

[(Anonymous)]

Would you say the freedom to destroy freedom is more important than the preservation of freedom?

Re: Jesus Christ.

[(Anonymous)]

I'll say this: I believe those fighting to preserve freedom by protesting Trump are doing the right a favor. The more outrageous the protests, the better he looks to his nutjob supporters, and the less stable the protesters look to moderates.