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⌈ Secret Post #3370 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Jane Austen Thread

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't encountered it but apparently Emma gets a lot of hate. I recently heard someone argue how it's hypocritical to hate her if you also like Darcy, as they are pretty much the same character. Emma is P&P told from Darcy's POV (with corresponding caveats that this is a general comparison). I thought it was an interesting thing to think about at least.

Re: Jane Austen Thread

[(Anonymous)]

I'm having a hard time seeing that. Pride and conceit were big faults of Darcy's, absolutely. He was snobbish about Bingley possibly making a match that was beneath him, and had similar reservations about himself and Elizabeth, but that was definitely exacerbated by her family's behavior. In comparison, he was extremely gracious to and liked the Gardiners, despite the fact that Mr. Gardiner was in trade. That'd be a glaring flaw in the eyes of a true social snob, i.e. Caroline Bingley.

Emma, on the other hand, is not only conscious of her social status, but she actually uses it to interfere with other peoples' lives to a much greater extent Darcy merely discouraging Bingley's ardor. Emma's interference has greater repercussions. Bingley, after all, would be fine if he didn't make that match with Jane. Harriet Smith was another story. She's a bastard, lacing any social connections (besides Emma) or famiy to back her. If she doesn't make an advantageous marriage, she's screwed. When Emma derailed her courtship with Mr. Martin, she derailed Harriet's best shot at a happy, financially stable future.

And then there's Emma's insult of poor Miss Bates, who didn't deserve it.

Re: Jane Austen Thread

[(Anonymous)]

Yes but the whole point of Emma is that she was a total dick, regreted it, learnt from her mistakes and then tried to make amends.

Re: Jane Austen Thread

[(Anonymous)]

I understand that, and I'm not sure what I said that gave you the impression I didn't. My point was that I find it difficult to equate her and Darcy. A very superficial comparison can be made, but I wouldn't go so far as the anon I was responding to, who said "they are pretty much the same character". I disagree. I think Emma's faults were more serious, and more significantly, the actions she took because of her conceit had the potential to be more damaging than anything Darcy did.

Re: Jane Austen Thread

[(Anonymous)]

I misread your comment as a SJW rant about Emma, not a comparison between her and Darcy. My bad, sorry.

Re: Jane Austen Thread

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, I see. It's peculiar how little it takes for people to interpret something as an SJW rant, though. I like Emma and appreciate that she matures a great deal over the course of the book, but I'm definitely aware of her shortcomings as a person.

Re: Jane Austen Thread

[(Anonymous)]

I guess it just feels like SJW ranting is in stereo all the time, it's what I expect as default these days. Plus I'm super tired.