[ SECRET POST #3371 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3371 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Snape anon, you're back!

Okay 1) Snape started outing Lupin way before Lupin ever slipped up on his meds (that essay teaching kids to identify and fucking kill - not defend against, kill werewolves?), and that's what shows it was always about the werewolfism to Snape. That's the same attitude that Umbridge was radiating, their bigotry goes hand in hand that's always what sat terribly with me.

2) Snape went to Lupin's office to give him the potion, and then....evidently dropped it on his desk and forgot about it entirely in favour of catching Lupin with Sirius and stroking his hateboner. I find it funny when anyone claims Snape just so concerned with the safety of the students with Lupin off his potion, when it seems he could've solved the situation easy by..bringing it with him?

3) Snape wasn't even conscious when Lupin transformed and caused chaos. He only heard about it in the aftermath, and therefore has no idea how much danger the students were actually in.

4) I can't really connect Lupin's shadiness to Snape's getting him fired, mainly because Lupin already knew he had messed up and in fact quit himself. But Snape dropped the werewolf bomb and (as mentioned before) had been trying to do so all year, and there's never any implication that it's because of Lupin's behaviour as opposed to just his being a werewolf. Which is bigotry that, again, sits much the same way with me as Umbridge's does.

[(Anonymous)]

Defense against werewolves seems to be pretty much the same as bear defense. If it is attacking you then you better kill it before it kills you. I have no problem with that, seems sound given the potential deathyness of the situation. As long as Lupin stays either human shaped or has enough human mind not to attack someone then it is not an issue, if he has gone wolf then killing him probably is the safest option as he literally is a godless killing machine at that point.

[(Anonymous)]

Defense against werewolves as taught by the extremely bigoted wizarding world is the same as bear defense. Even as I try not to side-eye you over believing it's totally fine to kill a human who is human for (in total) over 11 out of 12 months of the year, I have to point out that the books repeatedly drill it into the readers that the wizarding world's stance on this is wrong, pretty much only advocated by people like Umbridge and Snape, and there are other non-lethal methods to deal with werewolves. (how would James have saved Snape from Lupin as kids if killing him was the only way to do that?)

More to the point, Snape taught the students to recognize a werewolf in human form (how else would Hermione have made the connection), further suggesting he had no real expectation of the students coming across Lupin in his werewolf form.

[(Anonymous)]

If said human turns into a monster and tries to kill you you better believe killing it is the best option.

[(Anonymous)]

Becoming an animagus isn't exactly an easy thing which is what James and co. had to do to be around Lupin when he was a werewolf.

[(Anonymous)]

There is absolutely no way James turned into an Animagus in front of Snape in order to save him from Lupin, otherwise Snape would've known about their Animagus forms (and known to at least look for animals around Hogwarts when Sirius escaped in PoA).

[(Anonymous)]

James pulled Snape back. He didn't actually physically do anything to Lupin.

[(Anonymous)]

"Most of the time they're normal humans like you or me. Just remember that when one is launching itself at you, jaws open and teeth gleaming, in an unstoppable, unquenchable thirst for blood. Try and, I don't know, knock it out or something. "

[(Anonymous)]

Because god knows the only spells wizard kids are taught these days are Avada Kedavra, amirite?

There's nothing that says Remus can't be knocked out when he's in wolf or human form. Harry managed to use a Stunning Spell against Fenrir Greyback in DH (Fenrir was human at the time, but
it does disprove the popular fanon that werewolves are somehow immune to being affected by spells the way regular wizards are).

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not defending Snape, for the record. I think it's pretty clear that he was just trying to get Lupin run out of town for vindictive personal reasons.

But if a monster is trying to kill you - even if it's not a monster most of the time - you have to secure your own safety first, which presumably means using the safest possible option to you. That presumably means locking down the threat in the most definitive means possible.

[diet_poison]

You raise some really good points, but it begs the question as to why Lupin wasn't in his office when he was supposed to be taking his meds.

[(Anonymous)]

He saw Ron (and Pettigrew) get dragged into the Shrieking Shack by Sirius on the Marauders Map, panicked, and went after them while forgetting that Snape was supposed to come by to bring his potion.

Very dumb move, but it was the definition of extenuating circumstances.

[diet_poison]

Very true.

[(Anonymous)]

1) is a valid discussion point
2) well no-one here is claiming he was concerned about the safery so don't see why you need this temporary strawman, except to buffer up your point count
3) I don't think he needs to be conscious to realise this was 3a) risky 3b) dangerous and 3c) a great opportunity to get rid of Lupin.
4) no-one is saying it's not bigotry, just that lupin fucked up and had some not unreasonable consequences (prevented from ever continuing in that job in a school again)

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know if you bypassed the entire thread but people have been saying that Snape's motive was concern about the students. I'm fine admitting Lupin fucked up, if people wouldn't keep letting Snape coast on the exact same mistake they crucify Lupin for, and then claim it means Snape was justified for outing Lupin's condition and getting him fired.