[ SECRET POST #3371 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3371 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

08. http://i.imgur.com/rZbWKI7.png

[(Anonymous)]

I kinda agree, it is a zero tolerance situation. He 100% has to keep on his meds no matter what distractions are going. The way Snape went about it is kinda an assholish way though. To be honest though, he shoulda disclosed it at start of term and had a mandatory "so you're about to be mauled by a werewolf: here's how to avoid infection and death" class right at the start of term for all years, just for Health and Safety. He shouldn't be fired just for being a Werewolf, but for not taking his meds.

Snape did behave like a snide asshole though, but since Dumbledore is basically signing off on everything Snape does and protecting him, the blame has to go to Dumbledore ultimately.

[(Anonymous)]

It seems like a reasonable solution would have been to have his meds kept in the infirmary, and have him check in so that they can make DAMN SURE that he is staying on his meds.

Having him there as an open werewolf would have made things manageable.

[(Anonymous)]

but since Dumbledore is basically signing off on everything Snape does and protecting him, the blame has to go to Dumbledore ultimately.

I don't really follow this line of reasoning. Yeah it's shitty that Dumbledore keeps Snape at the school regardless of his behaviour toward students and other faculty members. So I guess in the sense that Snape was even at Hogwarts at all to out Lupin, Dumbledore can be held at fault, but why would the ultimate blame sit more heavily on him than on the guy actually treating everyone like shit?

[tabaqui]

This is true. But I will always, always love the moment when Lupin-as-were moves to attack the kids and Snape's first, instinctive move is to *spread his arms* and protect the kids. He makes himself the bigger target, he gets in front of them and he pushes back, so they are forced to move away from the danger.

It doesn't 'redeem' him being a jackass, but i *love* it so much.

[(Anonymous)]

Well it does kind of go against Hogwarts policy which is otherwise very in favor of threatening students' lives.

[solticisekf]

ikr. Moving stairs by themselves are a huge danger.

[(Anonymous)]

Right? They turned right around and hosted the TWT the next year.

[(Anonymous)]

Harry Potter and the Yearly Death Toll, it just doesn't quite have the smae right to it somehow,

[atalantapendrag]

I mentioned this on Tumblr once and people got so pissed. Snape w a lousy, biased teacher who treated his students dreadfully but that doesn't mean it was ok for Lupin to recklessly endanger people.

I chalk it all up to Dumbledore's Shitty Hiring Practices, an offshoot of Dumbledore's Creepy Manipulative Bullshit.

[(Anonymous)]

I still think it's hilarious that the two best DADA teachers, at least in terms of a) stuff actually taught in a way people listened to and b) students generally kept in one piece (if not necessarily the same shape), were a werewolf who later went off his meds and a Death Eater under Polyjuice with an Auror imprisoned in his trunk. I mean, that latter one did get a student killed and actually plan to kill another, but at least he didn't randomly endanger people in the meantime.

[philstar22]

I actually agree with this. And I really hate Snape. But Lupin endangered students by not taking his meds and then not being locked up. It isn't about him being a werewolf. If he was on his meds or completely secure, then there would be no problem.

True, Snape was vindictive about it, and I don't think he actually did it for the right reason. He did it for his own personal grudge, not to help protect students. But the results were the right results.

[(Anonymous)]

I run a British small business and I have a couple of staff members with super severe psychiatric conditions, which can kick in really quickly if they skip medication. I've made it clear, if they come in off their meds and start scaring or endangering other staff and customers, then they are fired there and then. I'll keep their conditions secret as long as they keep on their meds, but I'll fully disclose it in a heartbeat if I have if they screw up their meds. I'm on Snape's side, he did the right thing.

[solticisekf]

Does it work well so far?

[(Anonymous)]

Did the Snapies get tired of whining about James so they decided to complain about Lupin?

[(Anonymous)]

Nope, James is still an asshole.

[(Anonymous)]

Is Lupin wearing lipstick?

[(Anonymous)]

Getting Lupin fired? That was called for.

What was uncalled-for was broadcasting Lupin's medical condition to do it. He should have gone privately to Dumbledore and Lupin and given them an ultimatum: Lupin leaves on his own or Snape starts telling parents. Something tells me Snape skipped that part and went straight to telling everyone that Lupin had something akin to AIDS in a 1984 environment.

[(Anonymous)]

Within the universe of the book? Because Lupin's forgetting his potion is a classic idiot plot point: JKR only did it so that she could set up the climactic scene. Which means she didn't bother considering the ramifications for Lupin's characterization, because to her mind it was just a convenient way to get Lupin from Point A (a good, intelligent Hogwarts professor) to Point B (a dumbass who nearly kills several people out of negligence) to Point C (out of Harry's life, because God forbid Harry have any adults he can rely on around him).

By readers? The series is rife with inconsistent characterizations and idiot plots (the above being only one example), so each reader is basically forced to pick and choose which parts to take seriously and which parts to ignore.

[(Anonymous)]

Snape anon, you're back!

Okay 1) Snape started outing Lupin way before Lupin ever slipped up on his meds (that essay teaching kids to identify and fucking kill - not defend against, kill werewolves?), and that's what shows it was always about the werewolfism to Snape. That's the same attitude that Umbridge was radiating, their bigotry goes hand in hand that's always what sat terribly with me.

2) Snape went to Lupin's office to give him the potion, and then....evidently dropped it on his desk and forgot about it entirely in favour of catching Lupin with Sirius and stroking his hateboner. I find it funny when anyone claims Snape just so concerned with the safety of the students with Lupin off his potion, when it seems he could've solved the situation easy by..bringing it with him?

3) Snape wasn't even conscious when Lupin transformed and caused chaos. He only heard about it in the aftermath, and therefore has no idea how much danger the students were actually in.

4) I can't really connect Lupin's shadiness to Snape's getting him fired, mainly because Lupin already knew he had messed up and in fact quit himself. But Snape dropped the werewolf bomb and (as mentioned before) had been trying to do so all year, and there's never any implication that it's because of Lupin's behaviour as opposed to just his being a werewolf. Which is bigotry that, again, sits much the same way with me as Umbridge's does.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean if I were acting as if it were a real life situation i would 100% agree. But it's Hogwarts and there are deadly things around every corner so it seems par the course. And at least Lupin was interested in actually teaching the students, which makes him a good DADA teacher in my book.

[diet_poison]

Technically, you are right.

But I find it hard to get over the pettiness, even if I kinda understand why Snape hated Lupin. I can't help but feel he also had a vested interest in getting rid of any DADA teacher in hopes of getting the job himself.

Furthermore, it's worth keeping in mind that Lupin was literally the ONLY good DADA teacher they had and the only one they actually learned anything from, except for Moody who wasn't actually Moody and was actually a Death Eater who did actually try to kill people

[(Anonymous)]

*Yawn*

Sure, sweetie, of course Snape is perfect. Happy now?

[(Anonymous)]

yeah I think what he did was reasonable. I hate JK's black and white view of things, even if it was a children's book.

[(Anonymous)]

Total agreement. Dumbledore never should have hired Lupin and Lupin was a thoughtless idiot who eventually would've caused a tragedy with his forgetfulness. Him wanting to be at Hogwarts doesn't take precedence over the safety of everyone around him, and he'd already proven himself untrustworthy once before in having to be tracked down to take the medicine to prevent himself from becoming harmful.

We're not talking about shunning a teacher with AIDS, for all Rowling's inappropriate comparisons. We're talking about someone who will turn into a raging monster. Lupin should have had multiple immediate backup plans in case of an emergency where he couldn't access medication or stood the chance of being secluded with students while potentially unsafe.