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⌈ Secret Post #433 ⌋

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I think the point is if you rub it in their face that you found everything. Like, "I'm better than you because I got everything in the game!" I don't think the OP was saying "I'm better than you cause I don't use a guide," but they were expressing their frustration that their friend, obviously an GameFAQ-Junkie, holds themselves above them because they got 100% when they were just following the steps in a guide. ^^;

It's okay to use a guide, but when people act all superior even though they used a guide the entire time.. It's a little bit annoying. (Personally, if it's a game I'm that obsessed with getting 100% on, I'll play through it once then go back and re-do it.)

I'd agree, but that isn't really the impression I got from the OP. I read it more like they thought themselves superior for their lack of GameFaq usage. Which I also find to be bullshit. You play the way you want to play. If you're enjoying yourself, who cares?

If their friend was pushing how high and mighty they were because of their super special awesome completion rate, then yeah, I'd agree with the OP. But, they didn't really make that clear.

Sorry, no, I didn't mean it like that. I use FAQs all the time, but it just KILLS me that this person thinks that they are a superior gamer because they can follow instructions. All I ask of this person is to try it themselves first... there's not point in superiority when they're not even trying. Honestly, I could have/should have/would have used GameFaqs to get everything I missed if I hadn't been so excited to play the next game of the series.

Sorry, I guess it could be taken really horribly and I should have made it clearer.

Okay, that? That's clearer.

Also? That is all sorts of asshattery. WTH is up with your friend?

Me? I use GameFaqs because I like to know how to unlock certain things, or that wonderful sound Death Grunty makes in G.U. when I finish the Book of 1000s at the end of each game. But I don't think I'm hot shit for it. Um, it's GameFaqs. Which means someone ELSE did it first to make you that shiny FAQ. You're just following their lead.

It don't think thinking you're better than someone because you don't use a guide is necessarily "bullshit" either, though. (I think thinking you're better than someone is bullshit regardless of the circumstances, to be honest.) I look at it this way:

Which is more impressive to you? Someone doing a paint-by-numbers, or someone doing a freehand painting?

Then, which would be more impressive.. Someone completing the game without looking at the guide (freehand), or someone who follows every single step listed in an FAQ to complete it (by-the-numbers)?

FAQs, walkthroughs, guides.. Most of them weren't made for you to use for the entire game. They're made for that time that you're in a pinch and may need a little outside help. I don't see using the guide as 'cheating' in that respect, but someone who has the guide open on their lap the entire time they're playing? It just seems a little bit like they have no brain to think for themselves, and don't want to venture out to go as far as using the trial-and-error method.. (Like someone who uses the Tomb Raider guide the entire time--it's hard to tell where you're supposed to be going, and you'll probably end up using the guide, but a little bit of trial and error never hurts!) The ends don't always justify the means.

Then, which would be more impressive.. Someone completing the game without looking at the guide (freehand), or someone who follows every single step listed in an FAQ to complete it (by-the-numbers)?

Neither.

Painting and gaming are apples and oranges.

A game is a game. It's there to be played and enjoyed. Doesn't matter which way a person chooses to play it. It's their game. They bought it, and if they enjoy playing it with a FAQ printed out with neat little bulletpoints sitting on their lap the entire time, then they're every bit the gamer as the person who plays it straight through with no help from anyone.

Because, it's just a game. Winning a video game to me is not something to be impressed with, but expected. You buy the game to play and beat it, yes? And hopefully, you like the game along the way, and don't have too many urges to throw the controller across the room.

A gamer who uses guides and a gamer who doesn't use guides are, at the end of the day, just gamers. Like the rest of us. Play it how you like, but don't think you're better than anyone else because of your style.

I never really said it makes them a better gamer, but it does make someone a lot less lazy to think about the game for themselves. Puzzle games and games like Phoenix Wright are nothing but thinking--if you use a walkthrough for the entire thing, all you're doing is pushing buttons to advance dialouge, not playing--the point of the game is to solve the case through thinking and applying logic. If you take that out, it takes no skill--it's just a visual novel at that point.

That, to me, is not only lazy, but it even devalues the game. I never fully appreciate something if I cannot do it for myself. Like the 16th colossus in Shadow of the Colossus--I can get all the way up to his back, but I tried and failed to climb up to his shoulder so many times that I had my brother do it for me. I don't feel good about it, and I don't even count that game as 'beaten' because I'm so pathetic I couldn't do it for myself. Using a guide the entire game is kind of like that, to me.. I don't really think anyone can consider themselves a gamer if someone else does all of the work for them. Someone doing that might as well not even be holding the controller.

See? Just my point. That's how you play. But not everyone plays like you, nor are you a better gamer because they play differently.

If you enjoy a game by using a FAQ all the way through, more power to you. I don't use a FAQ through every part of games I play, but I don't think I'm appreciating the game more than a person who does. Because that's how they have fun playing.

Play the game the way you feel like playing it. Have fun with it in your own way. That's what it's there for. Guide or no guide, if you enjoy it, then you're just fine. To think otherwise is entirely missing the point of games to begin with.

And if you're playing a game for the story, and the full story requires you to get most everything? Like the Suikoden series where in order to get better endings, you HAVE to get all 108 characters who have very specific requirements for recruiting.

Using FAQs isn't brainless. There's more to a game than directions. You still have to use strategy in the interim. I short, don't judge other people because they're "cheating." "Cheating" is using Game Shark codes or passwords, not using an FAQ.

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