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for a man to hit a woman if it's to protect another woman?

On the subject of this incident:

http://loudwire.com/former-nightwish-vocalist-anette-olzon-beaten-down-robbed-by-junkie/

I wonder what the best thing for the man present could have done? If they get involved they may be in a situation where they would need to use a measure of violence against the junkie woman which I don't think can be sanctioned. Certainly it would have meant unwanted touching of the woman. But not getting involved leaves them as cowardly un-men, and just as guilty as everyone else under the bystander effect.

So what do you think? What should they have done?

Maybe try to restrain her without hitting her would be better, but if that doesn't work I don't see why hitting her is wrong? Why "can't it be sanctioned"? Getting involved in a situation to protect another person is definitely the right thing to do if you can't get someone more trained in de-escalation and why should the fact that it's a woman posing a threat be any different than a man?

I've said it before but toxic masculinity does have it's place in society and the problem isn't 'Men are violent and need to be stopped' the problem is control.

Toxic masculinity needs to be controlled and focused by someone who is not corrupted by it.

Soldiers on the battlefield don't just get to do whatever their soldier brains tell them to do. They have superiors in positions where they're not effected by the danger of battle making the decisions for these soldiers telling them what to do and how to be.

No man should ever get involved in a full blown catfight.

I find that REAL MAN thing so cringey.

Anyone should be able to use violence to protect themselves or others if need be.

Don't go around punching people for fun but sometimes you got to put someone down to protect yourself.

after reading the story, people should not be obligated to put themselves in danger to help someone else. If they want to, that is fine but no one is obligated to do it.

When a womans safety is a risk, yes, a man absolutely has that responsibility.

can everyone please stop responding to this troll ty

No.

Why no? This is the way we live our lives. This is an absolute truth of manhood.

Answer's still no.

Nah.

Nope.

If they touched her then she would have probably had them arrested along with her for battery

You can't touch someone without their permission

However in that situation the choice was "Do I risk legal action or do I let a woman get hurt by this violence I could stop?" and in that situation, I think the men had a responsibility to risk their own reputation for another person's actual physical safety

This isn't like that trump guy who was arrested for battery, he was defending trump against words by physically restraining the woman and that's not ok. This is defending a woman from physical harm by restraining another woman

Um, dude, you can totally touch someone without their permission if it's in self-defense or defense of another person.

Actually, if a court finds it was not warranted it becomes legally battery. at least in my neck of the woods. They would probably have been given a pass, but it's certainly not set in stone.

I think they should have broke it up. Not for any womanist reasons but because it was the right thing to do.

I'm a feminist that says YES. To protect a woman's life, yes, then hit the female abuser/bully/criminal.

Oh, for fuck's sake, the fact that this is even a question is just sad.

Of course he should fucking step in. What the hell kind of person just stands there and lets one person kick the ass of another without doing something about it if they're capable?

Agreed. Saying they weren't men in insulting to women. A woman isn't a man, but you can fucking bet if a woman had seen it she would have done something. They weren't people.

Nope. I am a woman and I am not getting into the middle of a fight. I'll call the cops but fuck that. I'm not getting hurt to protect a complete stranger.

Nope.

The question is, would this even be an issue if the person defending someone from violence was female? If it doesn't, then I don't see why it should be an issue here.

I don't even really judge the "REAL MEN" thing too badly. It's a comparison between people who are too scared to act and people who aren't, even if it's couched in stereotypical gender roles.

restrain the attackers

simple

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