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In the anime community they are just words to describe a character's looks:

Trap: boy who looks like a girl.
Reverse trap: girl who looks like boy.

In fact some traps don't even dress like girls, Erased's Hiromi is called a trap because he loos like a girl but he dresses like a boy. As long as it looks like a girl but it's a boy, it's a trap.

AYRT

Interesting, thanks. Is there a similarity between that and a Japanese word, or do you know how the term came into use?

"as long as it looks like a girl but its a boy, its a trap"

wrong imo, for it to be a true trap the viewer or the characters must be actually tricked for a period of time, making their true gender a reveal. there are plenty of girly men in anime, they aren't all traps.

nayrt

Question: so most, but not all, traps are crossdressers?

I would say so. Its a popular trope in anime to have a character assumed to be one gender to have their real gender revealed. I am not making any moral judgements on it (not really an anime fan anyway), but that is how I would define it in my experience.

ah yes

it's something from the anime community, so we can DEFINITELY be sure it's not fucked up or bigoted

Please explain to me how a word that means "boy who looks like a girl" is bigoted or fucked up.

I'll be waiting.

Well, for starters, it both comes from and is primarily used in the context of sexually fetishizing and objectifying said characters

You've no idea what you're talking about.

Literally the origin of the term is people being sexually attracted to a specific character (Bridget from Guilty Gear) who presents as female and then being surprised and "trapped" by the fact that the character is male

what am I forgetting here, lol. it's the basic logic of using the word 'trap'.

(of course it's also something that people were attracted to in its own right, but still in a very fetishizing / objectifying way)

sexually fetishing and objectifying isn't bad though as long you treat real people kindly

otherwise it's just a means to a end and, unless you find everyone equally sexually attractive (and don't kid yourself lmao), you're guilty of the same

Well, first, I would argue that your argument is true of objectification but not of fetishization - because fetishization is by definition only caring about someone or something in their dimension as the fetish-object. I agree that objectification is not bad in and of itself but fetishizing people really kind of pretty much is.

Second, I would argue that the specific word here - and the way of looking at gender and attraction it comes out of - is pretty much irreperably tied to that kind of fetishizing view and is kind of... probably not really salvageable? I don't think it's some kind of neutral word that appreciates someone's physical qualities while also respecting their multi-dimensionality and agency.

So would a "trap kink" be okay with you, since it's not all or nothing sorta deal like a "trap fetish"?

I think the language is still fucked but the underlying sexual kink is whatever

ayrt

taking "trap" to mean "boy who looks a like a girl" and ignoring the implications of the term since that's a different issue

Because in the rest of the world for, oh at least the last 30-odd years, it's an anti-transgender slur based around the myth that trans women get their jollies from entrapping straight guys into homosexual sex ala The Crying Game. And that myth has been used successfully to rationalize a fair bit of violence including murder, although thankfully it's the 21st century and some juries reject that as a defense at least in some cases.

You guys got the word and the trope from homophobic straight guys using the boggart of the predatory and lying tranny for their "no homo" cred. My sense of humor on this kind of shit ran out, oh 20 years ago, and with the anti-trans legislation in progress using that stereotype again you're politely invited to crawl back into your own asshole. Maybe this time, you might figure out that your shit really does stink.

Wow, it's almost like words change meaning and tone over time!

I've never seen it used in a complementary manner, this thread included.

Most traps present as male, you're delusional if you think most people believe these characters are trying to trick straight men into falling in love with them.

Well, while you're crawling back into your asshole of irrelevance where you can appropriate slurs and handwave away their day-to-day meaning, you're politely invited to shit a bucket of legos sideways.

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