[ SECRET POST #3382 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3382 ⌋

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Comments

[lady_dragoon]

Two words: FF7 House.

[dethtoll]

Oh yeah.

[lady_dragoon]

And like an anon said below, there's also the matter of using a delusional escapist fantasy in place of getting badly needed help.

[(Anonymous)]

I'mma need more words

[lady_dragoon]

Yeah, this was a thing that happened.

[(Anonymous)]

Yipe.

[diet_poison]

0______0

[(Anonymous)]

I wanna know why no charges were ever brought.

I'm glad the pet rat got out fine too.

[a_potato]

I'm not sure that that demonstrates that otherkin/fictionkin are dangerous. In this case, the manipulation revolved around that particular concept, but I think that girl would have found a way to manipulate and mistreat others regardless.

[lady_dragoon]

It wouldn't have been nearly as easy, though. Fictionkin and otherkin encourages people to reject and break with reality, which can result in far deeper manipulation than might otherwise be possible.

[a_potato]

People use various aspects of spirituality and religion to equal, and often greater, effect. Suicide cults don't revolve around otherkin; they revolve around charismatic men claiming to be prophets.

It's about tapping into the need to belong and to feel important. If you're good at doing that, then there are many, many ways to get someone to break with reality -- and many of them don't even look that strange from the outside.

[lady_dragoon]

Religious abuse is more about ensnaring a victim who is at a very low point in their lives (divorce, terminal illness, the death of a loved one, etc.) and telling them exactly what they want to hear, while at the same time cutting them off from all other influences. It takes a lot of effort on the part of the abuser; the rejection of reality is encouraged gradually, and the process of conversion and brainwashing takes years to get the victim completely under.

It's a lot easier to draw people into that illusion when the rejection of reality is done from the get-go. Because the faster they're over that initial hurdle, the deeper they can be pulled into the delusion. In the case of FF7 House, it only took a few months. That's frightening on so many levels.

[a_potato]

Hmm. Okay, that's fair.

You've given me a lot to think about.

[lady_dragoon]

You're welcome.. I think you're right in that they operate on the same principle, but otherkin/fictionkin has a much shorter trip into Crazyland. Religious cults take a long time to break people down and filter out the ones who are never going to give in. These other/fictionkin cliques work their harm very quickly because the weed-out process is immediate.

[(Anonymous)]

Interesting point, but I think you might be too quick to dismiss that otherkin/fictionkin based manipulation also starts with a low point in the victims' lives. I haven't read it in a while, but the author of FF7 House makes it pretty clear he is not in a good place mentally or financially, and that helps the manipulation happen. Same place with Andy Whathisname/ Victoria Bitter - in fact, across his years of fictionkin manipulation you can see how he learnt to target vulnerable people. You can also see in both cases how the abusers basically followed the emotional abuse textbook in terms of isolating their victims from outside support.

Fictionkin predators go for a specific kind of vulnerable: instead of the type of people religious cults might victimise, they go for isolated, socially awkward young people with rich fantasy lives they use as coping mechanisms, and insecurities that manifest in a deep desire to be 'special', just like their fictional heroes. The abusers use the fictionkin fantasy to fill those holes, and take their pound of flesh along the way.

[(Anonymous)]

And FF7 House was by no means an isolated incident! I got suckered into a DIFFERENT very similar cultish -kin situation, and I've met quite a few people over the years since who were also dragged into the same sort of things but had since got out. This sort of thing can be very predatory, especially toward young teens who are already struggling with identity issues, and even more so for teens with mental illness (like me) that can make dissociation even stronger.

You have a whole bunch of older adults, either with serious mental issues or just people running a long con, who've set up this mythical world where we're all just part of a big multiverse and you can be special like the characters you love. And they support all of this with a combination of fake "science" and peer pressure and often outright bullying, and it's really fucking easy to sucker people into it. And once you're in it's hard to get out, because you've already created this identity where you're a multiple/-kin/soulbonder and maybe even told other online or irl people about how you're really Sephiroth. Plus, being a fake victim is really addictive, which is why oppression olympics and munchausens are so prevalent. So the people who might want to get out feel they have to keep up the charade.

Plus there's just a shitton of really violent and scary people in the -kin community (big surprise when you're talking about a group of people who self-identify as people like Hannibal Lecter). Lots and lots of stalking and harassment happens behind the scenes. And they get really vicious about people who try to leave.

[lady_dragoon]

Agreed. I wouldn't exactly call it a "cult" but I was involved with a fictionkin/soulbonder clique that was very much like that. I'm still screwed up from it.

[(Anonymous)]

I would absolutely call it a cult. If you gave these people the means and the power to go create their own Jonestown, they would, I 100% believe that. Everything they participate in could be filed under cult-like behavior and mentality.

[lady_dragoon]

I guess. Though it's less Koresh/Jonestown/Heaven's Gate and more like the alt-med/"clean eating" cult mentality.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh god, one of my close friends is into "clean eating"! I asked him outright: "Do you have orthorexia?"

[(Anonymous)]

That's not fiction/otherkin being dangerous, that's charismatic sociopaths being dangerous.

[lady_dragoon]

Charismatic sociopaths enabled by the fiction/otherkin mentality being dangerous.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah. They'd be dangerous anyway, they'd just latch on to something else. You see the same shit happening in pretty much every community that can make even the most tenuous claim to isolation or marginalization. Desperate or vulnerable people looking for an identity or a place to belong are ripe fodder for con artists and cult leaders; the stories they sell are just window dressing.

[lady_dragoon]

And you'll find in all those communities that the common thread is a shared delusion. A denial of verified reality. In Tumblr SJW circles, it's the delusion is that "white cisscum" are waiting to jump you around every corner. In multi-level marketing scams, it's the delusion that you can make enough money to retire in the space of a year. In religious cults, it's the delusion that you'll be damned for eternity or the end of the world will come if you don't do as the leader says, and the world will tempt you away from the doctrine if you let it.

Otherkin/fictionkin/Tumblr-multiple cults operate on the delusion that they are special and persecuted and you can't trust anyone who isn't otherkin/fictionkin/multiple because the normies are waiting around every corner to jump you, and worse yet, make you doubt your identity.

It's the mentality of rejecting and escaping reality that enables these types of charismatic sociopaths to be so dangerous. Sure, otherkin/fictionkin isn't the only type of cult that makes use of this, but it's the same thing at its core: denial of reality with suspicion and mistrust of everyone outside the cult.

tw: csa

[(Anonymous)]

And in the same vein: Andy Blake.

(Who, btw, may have found a new community to exploit now that most of fandom has heard of him; a while back, I found a post of his at FreeRangeKids about how he was molested and it was no big deal.)