[ SECRET POST #3398 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3398 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 05 pages, 118 secrets from Secret Submission Post #486.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[sabotabby]

I liked him on DW and found him dull on TW.

The big problem is structural. TW decided, for some reason, to be a police procedural, and put him in charge of the team. Jack's strength as a character is being an unpredictable, rogueish wildcard. The person in charge in a procedural by nature has to be pretty boring and reliable (a few shows, like Luther, go off this model, but those are more prestige drama and less genre fiction). So they didn't know what to do with his character.

Teal Deer: Depending on why you find him creepy, you might find him less creepy on TW. But eh, it's not that good, there are better things to watch.

[(Anonymous)]

Jack as a young man was devil may care. Jack as hundreds of years old, and suffering hundreds of deaths is a different, more world weary man. In the first season of Torchwood, he is both depressed and losing hope he's ever going to get answers to why he is the way he is. He still flirts, but it's mostly a tactic to keep the people he engages with off balance.

You really can't judge Jack from Torchwood by his actions in Doctor Who.

[sabotabby]

I don't judge him, I just find him a less fun and interesting character to watch. On DW he was a little burst of fresh energy that screwed with the dynamic. On TW he was boring authority guy who happened to be pansexual.

[(Anonymous)]

The secret maker wants to, though, and that's not fair because Jack is a very different character in Doctor Who and the two series of Torchwood.

I hear he was even more different in those Torchwood AUs that came later, but I've expunged the one and skipped the other, so I really couldn't say for certain.

[(Anonymous)]

To be honest that just feels even more like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Trying to make Jack a more subdued, world-weary character via the immortality thing so the show can shamelessly rip off Angel and Highlander was in itself a pretty dumb move and certainly doesn't play to John Barrowman's strengths. If they wanted to make a dark, procedural-focused Torchwood spin-off fine, but to then include Captain Jack in that makes no sense. A Captain Jack spin-off should be him having lots of rompy space adventures, not brooding on Cardiff rooftops. Torchwood was such a weird, misconceived show.

[(Anonymous)]

That's what happens when you take a pitch for a series you couldn't sell and retool it to feature a popular and established character you don't want in the lead.

[(Anonymous)]

Except of course Jack wasn't really the lead, Gwen Cooper was, which many viewers found deeply confusing.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that was their point.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think they were confused just disappointed.

[(Anonymous)]

What? I haven't heard this? What are you talking about?

[(Anonymous)]

RTD loved Eve Myles and wanted to create a show with her in mind, but had to pitch it as a vehicle for Captain Jack since he was the popular established character and actor.

[(Anonymous)]

Rusty pitched a show called Excalibur which was about a tough female cop who stumbled into a paranormal world. BBC passed. They wanted a Doctor Who spinoff. So he dusted off Excalibur, retooled it to include Jack and a team of alien hunters and sold the show. Problem was, the show was still about Gwen, even when it made no sense to center the story about her.

[(Anonymous)]

I get that he was a long lived immortal, but the bloke never got to have any fun or enjoy anything. It was all doom and killing off grandkids and losing one lover after another. I know some people loved that, but it got pretty tiresome after a while for especially when it seemed almost none of the core characters got to have any fun or enjoy anything. By the time they got to killing off Ianto I figured they were all probably better off dead anyway.