[ SECRET POST #3398 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3398 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

08. http://i.imgur.com/Uv9Ly1b.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

What's creepy about him?

[(Anonymous)]

Non the secretmaker, but probably because he's a sex positive character, and an enthusiastic one at that. These days that's 'creepy'.

Boy have times changed.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, he does tend to come onto characters without gauging whether they are interested or at all sex positive themselves. I personally chalk that up to him being used to a time when everyone was sex positive and not understanding modern social cues and don't find him creepy. But I get where the OP is coming from.

[(Anonymous)]

Same.

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, right. Hitting on people = creepy.

Fucking hell, I hate this puritanical decade.

[(Anonymous)]

Pendulum swings are something to behold, aren't they? I'm waiting for fashions with bustles and hoop skirts this fall.

[(Anonymous)]

Enjoying sex unapologetically and groping on everyone whether they want you to or not aren't really the same thing though.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm pretty sex-negative, but I still really enjoy Jack as a character.

I'm just tired of hearing about John Barrowman himself, though.

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't watched Torchwood but isn't it supposed to be absolutely riven through with consent issues?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. I suppose it is. But it's part of the boundary challenging 'more adult' storytelling. Frankly, it didn't always work.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't remember if Captain Whatsisface was a rapist, but Burn Gorman's character was one. Torchwood was fucked up.

[(Anonymous)]

So basically the fun stuff. No wonder people hate it now.

[(Anonymous)]

Not OP but (rolling my eyes at the people above - maybe that is why the OP found him creepy, but this is a 'puritanical' decade? Lol... anyways...) I found him a bit creepy in his first appearances because he comes off as very smiley, almost too perfect, very 'constructed'.
I think it is very much a remnant of Barrowman's theatre acting that he does't shake when he's on camera - the way he talks, the way he holds himself, and the way he emotes feels like he is a cardboard cut-out* that has accidentally landed in the scene, and it can be a bit uncanny valley.

* Not saying his acting is bad, but just imagine a cardboard cut-out that runs through several poses like clunky stop-motion animation, with an unmoving mouth and permanent smile, occasional glower, occasional teary eyes, with a voice-box on the back that spits out lines.

[(Anonymous)]

If you compare people's attitudes from even five years ago, in the main they are much more vanilla and uptight. It's been interesting, if somewhat disheartening, to watch, especially all the policing in fandom circles.

[(Anonymous)]

He was a con man, wasn't he? Being somewhat less-than-genuine would seem normal.

[(Anonymous)]

Dude. Every time I turn around, someone is talking about how morally wrong a TV show is. Yes, I do feel like I'm living in Salem.

[wldcatsprstr_14]

I love him so bear that in mind.

That said...he looks kinda plastic. Like, he's VERY made up in DW. They caked the makeup on. Add that to the fact he already looks like a doll IRL. It took me a while to warm to him partially because of that.

[(Anonymous)]

Well if you think he's creepy you might like him in Green Arrow where he is playing a creep.

Other then that, I don't think he's creepy, just hammy, but I feel like he's more a stage/musical actor and that's why.

[(Anonymous)]

Same. He does have this very overthetop energy that is suited to his stage acting but that can come across as hammy on TV.

[sabotabby]

I liked him on DW and found him dull on TW.

The big problem is structural. TW decided, for some reason, to be a police procedural, and put him in charge of the team. Jack's strength as a character is being an unpredictable, rogueish wildcard. The person in charge in a procedural by nature has to be pretty boring and reliable (a few shows, like Luther, go off this model, but those are more prestige drama and less genre fiction). So they didn't know what to do with his character.

Teal Deer: Depending on why you find him creepy, you might find him less creepy on TW. But eh, it's not that good, there are better things to watch.

[(Anonymous)]

Jack as a young man was devil may care. Jack as hundreds of years old, and suffering hundreds of deaths is a different, more world weary man. In the first season of Torchwood, he is both depressed and losing hope he's ever going to get answers to why he is the way he is. He still flirts, but it's mostly a tactic to keep the people he engages with off balance.

You really can't judge Jack from Torchwood by his actions in Doctor Who.

[sabotabby]

I don't judge him, I just find him a less fun and interesting character to watch. On DW he was a little burst of fresh energy that screwed with the dynamic. On TW he was boring authority guy who happened to be pansexual.

[(Anonymous)]

To be honest that just feels even more like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Trying to make Jack a more subdued, world-weary character via the immortality thing so the show can shamelessly rip off Angel and Highlander was in itself a pretty dumb move and certainly doesn't play to John Barrowman's strengths. If they wanted to make a dark, procedural-focused Torchwood spin-off fine, but to then include Captain Jack in that makes no sense. A Captain Jack spin-off should be him having lots of rompy space adventures, not brooding on Cardiff rooftops. Torchwood was such a weird, misconceived show.

[litalex]

After reading all the posts in this thread, I'm still trying to figure out why Captain Jack Harkness is creepy...