[ SECRET POST #3398 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3398 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't watched Torchwood but isn't it supposed to be absolutely riven through with consent issues?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. I suppose it is. But it's part of the boundary challenging 'more adult' storytelling. Frankly, it didn't always work.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it might have worked better if the consent issues had been intentional and not a by product of ill-thought out writing.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't remember if Captain Whatsisface was a rapist, but Burn Gorman's character was one. Torchwood was fucked up.

[(Anonymous)]

Owen used a pheromone enhancer in one episode. It made him irresistible to women. (And possible men. Whether he got in the taxi with the couple was vague.) But Owen didn't actually rape anyone, and Jack didn't either.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know what you consider rape, but if you use something that in effect mind controls someone who wasn't going to have sex with you, that's rape in my book.

[(Anonymous)]

It's skeezy, but so is lowering someone's inhibitions with alcohol. Beer goggles make unappealing people irresistible too. But that's not rape.

[(Anonymous)]

Except in TW they literally had no choice? It's the same reason I hate love potions. It removes the ability to consent.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that's kinda like the whole appeal of the sex pollen trope.

[(Anonymous)]

Also sex or die.

[(Anonymous)]

But usually they're at least constructed around characters who would likely have sex with each other even without the sex pollen to push the issue so while it can still be dubious there's not the sense of someone who just plain didn't want to have sex with this particular person being forced to. At least in fanfiction. That's not how it happens on Torchwood.

[(Anonymous)]

the sense of someone who just plain didn't want to have sex with this particular person being forced to

Again, that's kinda the entire appeal of the sex pollen trope. At least the way I enjoy it.

[(Anonymous)]

For some people I'm sure that's the appeal. Not everyone judging by most of the fic I've read where it's used. It's pretty almost always happens in a context where the characters involved are at least on some level attracted to one another. Not where one of them absolutely doesn't. That's something else.

Not everyone has to see it as rape. Just don't be surprised that some people do.

[(Anonymous)]

Beer may lower your inhibitions and lead to poor choices, but I don't think beer has ever compelled anyone against their will to do something whether they wanted to do it or not.

[tree_and_leaf]

Yeah. Firstly, the beer analogy doesn't work, because you have to choose to start drinking, and nobody chose to be hit with Owen's pheromone spray.

The pheromone spray is more like spiking someone's drink, and yes, if you spike someone's drink in order to have sex with them, you are a rapist.

Owen is a rapist, and the fact that the people under the influence of the pheromone spray enjoyed it at the time isn't relevant. They were not capable of consenting.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT - Yeah, I don't know why so many people are so hot to defend Owen's roofie spray. If it had just been Owen who didn't consider the implications, it would have been one thing. The fact that the writers also didn't consider the implications... well, that's just skeevy.

[(Anonymous)]

Worse a rapist they didn't even mean to make a rapist even though they have the woman in question make it clear all she wants to do is sit at the bar and wait for her boyfriend and isn't remotely interested in Owen and only has sex with him because he sprays something on himself that compels her to want it. At least if they tried for some ambiguity I'd understand their confusion at people's response to the scene, but both with her and later with the angry boyfriend they make it very clear they only want to have sex because the spray compels them to feel that not for any other reason.

[(Anonymous)]

So basically the fun stuff. No wonder people hate it now.

[(Anonymous)]

Torchwood hit most of the interesting H/C bingo card sweet spots. Executed them in frustrating ways, most of the time, but that made it a rich vein for fic opportunities.