[ SECRET POST #3399 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3399 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

08. http://i.imgur.com/CDYPluc.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Everything doesn't have to create drama with death.

[(Anonymous)]

Why is killing off companions in and of itself a good thing?

I mean, Eric Saward was willing to kill off companions, and did kill off a companion. And Eric Saward was absolutely terrible at making Doctor Who. His era is terrible.

[(Anonymous)]

It makes you wonder if the monster of the week is actually going to be a threat when the writer/producer pulls the lazy fake out.

[kallanda_lee]

Well

a) it is a show a lot of kids watch

b) death is not the only way to create drama.

I'm not opposed to it in itself, but only would want a companion to die if it's meaningful to the story arc, and not, "hey, cool episode".

[(Anonymous)]

I don't necessarily need a companion death. But I do feel that Clara's end was not well done. Moffat tried to have it both ways. If he wanted to kill her, kill her. Don't kill her and then bring her back.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. It was a very poignant episode to me, and the fact that he brought her back ruined the whole meaningful sacrifice that she gave.

I don't think 'must be able to kill companions' is a necessary trait, but 'don't backpedal on a decision to kill someone because you want to have it all your way' is.

[(Anonymous)]

Given the amount of times Clara was supposed to leave, but Coleman wouldn't go, maybe Moffat wrote the backpedaling in expecting her to change her mind yet again and the Two Girls One Tardis shitshow was never meant to be the actual end.

[(Anonymous)]

/shrug I think there's already so much Companion-sacrificing-themselves-for-the-Doctor in the series already that an actual death seems redundant. It'd be flogging a dead horse.

[(Anonymous)]

Clara's was actually my favorite companion departure since Martha. I'm not really in the fandom anymore so I don't know how fandom at large has reacted, but I thought both her initial sacrifice and the Doctor's attempts to bring her back showed off both of their flaws, and justified the end of their relationship. I also like that Clara called him out on how he was going to wipe her memory without asking, and that their separation ended up being something they mutually agreed to do.

And then Clara and Me going off together! I ship it a little bit. Idk Clara's writing could be inconsistent but she was given an ending that recognized her agency as a person apart from the Doctor, and I appreciated the hell out of it.

[(Anonymous)]

No!

I've seen like two episodes with Jenna Coleman, who actually seems cool, because I couldn't even go on with the show after the way the Ponds left--which really was killing them off in a nasty way. On top of the pseudo-companions that would get killed off, like the doctor in that one Eleven episode.

I am so relieved that Clara made it out alive. I might even watch her episodes sometime.

[(Anonymous)]

They weren't killed off, except in the sense that everyone eventually dies. They got to live out their lives together, and they were clearly very happy. They even adopted a son, if the deleted scene is considered canon.

[(Anonymous)]

Technically, she didn't make it out alive.

[(Anonymous)]

Clara still has to go back and die in that alley. She just gets to have however long she wants to go back thanks to that diner TARDIS.

[(Anonymous)]

I hope they kill the new companion off. No real reason, her being an eighties brat is kinda appealing even if it is a retread of Ace, I just want to hear the newly minted SJW fanbase scream when a black girl dies.

[(Anonymous)]

i'm gonna put you in a diaper and burp you, pal

[(Anonymous)]

this is a beautiful comment

[(Anonymous)]

also came just to register my approval of this comment

[sparrow_lately]

I feel you with Doctor Who being unable to let people die for good (Moffat particularly), but...well, that doesn't really sound perfect t me (I say not having seen it!). And it is technically a kid's show. And, yeah, like first anon said, death is not the only or necessarily best way to create compelling character drama.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't mind Clara briefly coming back thanks to the Doctor's meddling and the Doctor having to lose his memory of her. I really didn't like how it was implied that Clara got to travel around with Ashildr before taking the long way back to die. It really cheapened the poignancy of her exit.

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, angsty Dr Who is the worst Dr Who.

Go on adventures. Break stuff and save stuff. No hugs, no learning.

[(Anonymous)]

Angsty is fine but logical angsty, you know

[(Anonymous)]

Um. Wow?

When I thought she died I felt very "meh" about it. Seasons with this character, and all I can muster is a tiny "meh"? That's not good. At all.

I was so happy that wasn't the end for her. I hated her character with the Eleventh, but I loved her with the Twelfth, because she ceased being there for the Doctor, like some prop, and became her own character. So her going on her own adventures with Ashildr/Me was perfect. Yeah, she will die eventually and in that moment it will be all about how it affects the Doctor... But her getting to choose when is so important for her character development, and getting to live out her wildest adventures on her own terms is part of her story.

She was never suicidal. She became reckless, probably because of depression, and she most likely felt guilty and invincible which lead to her demise. But just because she was ready to face her own demise doesn't mean that she wanted to die.
Her wanting to LIVE is one of her biggest character-defining traits (it's basically what ties all the episodes of the last season together).

Moffat has a horrible track record when it comes to female characters, so I'm both surprised and glad Clara didn't die needlessly. (Thank god for Capaldi.)

[tcex28]

Fetishisation of character death is very un-Doctor Who, and with companions it too easily leans into the fridging structure where we're left with Doctor angst in their absence. (TBH the only companion deaths in Who I really respect are one in the audios and one in the novels, won't say which bc spoilers.) Moffat turned that around very sharply.

Clala's fate still 'makes sense' and is highly poignant, it's just something a hell of a lot more interesting and inspiring happened to her afterwards. I don't understand the mindset where "they need to BE dead!" is more important than the actual events. Stories aren't lists of facts for review.

[(Anonymous)]

God no. The Big Finish audios kill of so many companions for ~drama~ and I'm sick of it.