[ SECRET POST #3406 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3406 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

YOU ARE THE BRAVEST AND MOST PRINCIPLED PERSON ON THE PLANET.

Actually no.

Get the fuck over yourself. First off, if you act with spite (as others have shown you, utterly impotent spite at that) at someone who just politically disagrees with you, you are a shitty person. There are people out there you will disagree with. And you may, in fact, have to work with them. They may, in fact, one day be your boss.

It's really better for you to develop some sort of, I dunno, healthy coping mechanism, like just saying 'that's cool, but no thanks'. Because honestly, this sounds like you're expending all this effort in this act that...doesn't hurt them at all. SUPER mature. :/

[(Anonymous)]

Pirating doesn't actually harm anyone physically and it's debatable about whether or not it even harms the creator financially. Especially if OP was never intending to buy the product in the first place, it's not actually a loss. You acknowledge this yourself. So in terms of coping mechanisms, what makes this unhealthy? Something that works for the OP and doesn't affect anyone else seems pretty innocuous to me.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT
Seems pretty clear AYRT is referring to acting on spite as being unhealthy not the specific act of pirating a book OP would never buy.

[(Anonymous)]

But that turns the anon's argument into "it's shitty to think badly of other people". Sure, OP's motivation might be petty, but the negative motivation, i.e. spite has been channeled into something harmless, i.e. pirating a book they wouldn't have purchased anyway. As far as coping mechanisms go, isn't that ideal? Something negative is transformed into something innocuous that doesn't hurt anyone. How is that shitty?

Then again my personal coping mechanism is eating things that are bad for me, so I kind of wish I had a coping mechanism that didn't have negative results.

[(Anonymous)]

In what possible way do you think "acting out of spite is bad" equals "it's shitty to think badly of people"? Because it doesn't. Like, at all.

[(Anonymous)]

Because everyone agrees that the action itself isn't negative, so what's left? Answer: the motivation.

[(Anonymous)]

Broaden your perspective. You're focusing on the specific act of pirating, not the broader act of doing things out of spite. Not liking someone or thinking someone is bad for the world is not the same as doing something for the sole purpose of spite, whether it is actually useful or not - clearly OP *thought* what they were doing was spiteful, even though it was just stupid.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, I'm focusing on the specific act of pirating because that's what the secret is about. It doesn't make sense to me to berate the OP for things they haven't actually done.

[(Anonymous)]

When I said broaden your perspective, it was so you could understand the narrower focus. Because YES. OP flat-out said they were doing this out of spite. They were just too stupid to know how pointless it was. The broad perspective STILL APPLIES.

[(Anonymous)]

The broad perspective here is so broad as to be a little useless, though. If OP starts doing things that are actually bad because of their spite, then sure, chastise them. But if they're not actually doing anything except finding a way to channel their spite into something that's not a negative outcome? Nah. You go ahead and get mad even though no harm has been done to anyone, but I've got blood pressure issues and I don't need to manufacture reasons to be mad at people.

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[(Anonymous)]

when things like abortion and gay rights are considered "political" I feel more than happy to "spite" people on the other side of those debates.

[dethtoll]

OSC fan spotted.

I think it's important to acknowledge that creators, like all people, are different and have different opinions and sometimes bad or hurtful opinions; that, or they're difficult people to be around in general. Nobody's perfect. But I also think there's a huge difference between not being perfect, and working with hate groups, like Orson Scott Card, who actively worked to pass Proposition 8 in California with National Organization for Marriage.

[(Anonymous)]

OSC was on the board of a group that routinely called for boycotts of LGBT-friendly advertisers.

[dethtoll]

Exactly, which just furthers my point.

[(Anonymous)]

In general I'd agree with you about political disagreements, but Orson Scott Card doesn't just hold those views in a vacuum. He hasn't made it a secret that he thinks homosexuality is some sort of sexual perversion and that he believes it's caused by child abuse, which is not only wholly unsupported by science but also toxic as fuck. Additionally, he's been extremely vocal about supporting the whole "War on Terror" and was a board member on the National Organization for Marriage, a group that actively campaigns against same-sex marriage.

I don't know about you, but I have gay people in my life whom I love and people like Card are actively working to make sure they don't have the same rights as I do. I don't have to be cool with that and I certainly don't have to "get the fuck over myself". I still have my copy of Ender's Game because of nostalgic childhood memories, but I haven't read/bought anything new of Card's for years now. Unlike the OP, I'm not inclined to pirate his new stuff, but that's because I don't think I'd enjoy it, knowing what I know now about the author. That's my personal decision though, and I don't judge anyone else for thinking or acting differently.