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Bernie's going to contest at the convention if superdelegates in states that went overwhelmingly for him are the only way Clinton wins, and because I want Bernie to win, I'm super excited for that.

But I'm also dreading it, because I know how deflated I'll feel if it fails, and it's not good for the party to have all this infighting. At least the GOP has it too.

But really, I hope for the day superdelegates aren't a thing anymore. Like, why do we even need them now?

SA

Whelp, with Cruz out of the race, I wonder if that means the party will hold its nose behind Trump and let the Democrats be the only ones eating each other or if it's still going to stay contemptuous with Kasich trying to mount an offense and a floor battle brewing.

Conservatives hate Kasich 'cuz he's not enough of a screaming racist demagogue. Trump gonna be walking into the convention like

As far as the Democratic nomination fight, with Trump as the opposition I can promise you that any Dem split is not going to happen. They'll unify, if only just long enough to stamp out the revival of the Know-Nothing Party.

Surely at some point you guys have to start worrying about this stuff affecting the general election? Because Jesus Fucking Christ the Republicans are going to nominate a literal fascist at a certain point we have to buckle down here, and I'm not saying that's today but I do kind of feel like the convention might be that point.

I honestly thing the general is going to be such an entirely different animal that it won't matter, as long as whoever ultimately loses the primary sits down and shuts up. Because I do think we're past the point of either Clinton or Bernie trying to shill for the other in the general.

Why were they ever needed?

Huh. You know, that's a good question. I just assumed there was some good historical that no longer really applies, but nope. Apparently they were literally created so "party leaders" could keep their power when grubby little grassroots activists tried to take it.

Well, I mean, in fairness, that probably looks much more like a problem that needs solving when you're looking at it in the direct aftermath of a famously bloody, divisive 1968 Democratic convention in Chicago, and a ridiculous electoral bloodbath in 1972.

Or people could get over their goddamn sour grapes like grown-ass adults

I think trying to avoid repetition of the 1968 convention is a little more than sour grapes.

And, I mean, in the systems' defense, you had very contentious primaries in 1976 and 1980, and both of them were run a hell of a lot better than 1968 or 1972, and not notably to the disadvantage of the non-establishment candidates - Carter won in 1976.

It's really not at all clear to me that the superdelegate system is some kind of plot.

"A contentious primary" isn't a reason to ignore the majority of voters by letting select special people have votes that mean more. And people who say it is need to grow the fuck up and get over the fact they lost to someone the people liked more.

Superdelegates have never been used - and I do not believe they will ever be used - to give the victory to one candidate when another has the majority of elected delegates. I wouldn't worry about it until it does happen - I strongly doubt it will this year.

Superdelegates make it easier to mediate when there are three or more candidates viable in a convention, none of whom have a majority of elected delegates. They make it less plausible for Stop X movements to pull off some shenanigans at a convention. They generally make it easier to have an orderly convention. Those are genuinely useful things to have.

I wouldn't worry about it until it does happen

Always a wise action to take. o_O

So, since in this case there are only two viable candidates on the Democratic side, are superdelegates gonna be useful this election?

No, I don't think so.

You're right. They're just going to be harmful. Because this massive lead Hillary has? She wouldn't have it if super delegates weren't in the picture. She'd still be leading, but not by a nearly insurmountable amount.

So how are they harmful? Hillary is leading because she has the most elected delegates, and is demonstrably the choice of the majority of the Democratic Party. Superdelegates don't even enter into it.

What part of " She'd still be leading, but not by a nearly insurmountable amount," don't you understand? There are still races to go, you know.

And if Bernie wins the majority of elected delegates as a result of those races, I think he will get the nomination.

I don't think it's a likely event that he'll get those delegates. But let the evil be sufficient unto the day here, before we get worried about the superdelegates stealing an election from Bernie that he's currently losing.

Because George McGovern lost the 1972 presidential election by 503 electoral votes.

Um, yeah, because the labor unions sold him out. Do Democrats understand that they need the labor movement?

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