[ SECRET POST #3422 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3422 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 033 secrets from Secret Submission Post #489.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

05. http://i.imgur.com/ErBJdOB.png

[(Anonymous)]

what gets me is that most western anime fanarts pirate/illegally stream their anime/manga but get all uppity if their patron gets leaked or whatever

animators, especially inbetweeners, make slave wages btw and the majority of anime doesn't make a profit, so it's not like they're sticking it to the man either

[(Anonymous)]

^This.

[(Anonymous)]

That's a problem that would definitely be solved by Americans paying ludicrous importing fees and not at all by labor reform in Japan.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, more people watching anime legally means that the amount studios could get from licensing could increase. More money (+ reforms) = less excuses from tptb, so people working on those studios could get better wages.

But if there aren't even profits and licensing doesn't mean much in terms of money...

[(Anonymous)]

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, but if the majority of anime didn't make any profit, anime would rarely ever get made and there wouldn't be 20+ shows every season.
I don't think it's a big of a failure as you're making it out to be imo.

[(Anonymous)]

(da)
Anime is mostly a platform for manga and/or merchandise sales. When there's profit, it usually comes from those and not from DVD sales or ads.

[(Anonymous)]

Also,the western market usually doesn't really feature into the equation.

[(Anonymous)]

Wrong. The western market very much features into the equations now. It didn't used to. But now, getting picked up overseas is one way anime can make money. It's why companies like Aniplex, Bandai, and Pony all have U.S. bases now when in the 1990s anime was done by small companies like Media Blasters, Animeigo, RightStuf, Manga, ADV, and the few that managed to survive - Funi & Viz. So overseas profits are VERY much in the equation.

[(Anonymous)]

Co-productions partially funded by Western companies are starting to happen again, too.

[(Anonymous)]

everything would be so much better if copyright didn't exist

[(Anonymous)]

Schadenfreude can be very warming.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, they really have no right to complain.

[ninety6tears]

Wealthy copyright owners going after the little guy vs. fandom people having their unrealistic expectations of intellectual courtesy is kinda...apples and oranges. It would be different if I believed most of the business that protects mainstream intellectual property actually acted mostly out of concern for, you know, the actual person who came up with that idea, and I'm not sure they do.

[(Anonymous)]

What exactly do you mean? Fanart, depending on the situation, is still protected by copyright depending on what's going on. Even more so when parody occurs. So when you say "unrealistic expectation" are you talking about fandom getting angry when their hard worked fanart is stolen or people making a massive profit off a character they didn't create but get upitty when someone reposts that work?

Yeah the whole "don't steal my art, but at the same time I can make prints of a character that isn't mine" mentality is controversial, but it doesn't mean that "oh, this character isn't yours! So that means I can just steal your art, re-print it, or make money off of selling your fanfics!" If anything, it can be argued that fanproducts are add-ons to creative works, like how some people can "steal" music videos and alter them in the name of art.

[ninety6tears]

I thought OP was referring to people taking cues from other people's general ideas/concepts in fanart, with no open acknowledgment of where they got the idea, not straight-up stealing. I can't think of a specific example but certain ideas can practically become memes in art with no one really knowing who came up with it first, which is unfortunate and doesn't preserve the "courtesy over hard rules" attitude that applies to a lot of positive fandom activity but is kinda what you expect from such a viral atmosphere. And that's an issue of creative pride, which I'm just saying feels so separate from the issue of complaining about the consequences of breaking a sometimes tenuously justified law that even if I see both sides of the argument I'm just not sure HYPOCRISY is really the point.

[crossy_woad]

Well....selling derivative work of copyrighted material for profit is sketchy but on a very different level than saying "Hey I drew this thing" if you didn't draw it.

The one makes you look like a jerk (claiming you drew something you didn't); the other can get you sued (depending on how big the company is, etc.).

Neither is a great life plan, is I guess what I'm saying?

There are certainly workarounds for derivative work. If it's a "parody." That always seemed like kind of a weird loophole. "Oh sure you can make money off this thing if you're mocking it, but not if you're using it in loving creative ways."

Stupid Starbucks here we come!

Copyright law needs some work. There have been a lot of cash grabs in the laws from big corporations. It's not all right.

But, if you're making money off something someone else owns, legally, you can face trouble, even if you don't agree w/ the laws.

And it's not right to claim responsibility for creating something you didn't (stealing art) even if you never face the law, and even if it's derivative. It's like buying an apple pie and saying you made it, except worse because at least you paid for the pie, and you didn't actually hurt the pie makers when you said that.

It's stealing a pie and showing off what a great baker you are; that's what it is, even for fanworks.

[(Anonymous)]

I interpreted the secret as being about fanartists complaining about people imitating a style or composition, not claiming someone else's actual work as their own. Like, if you are da Vinci and you painted The Last Supper as your totally rad Gospel of John fanart, and then you get mad because you're browsing DeviantArt and find someone posted a painting they did that imitates your style and uses the same composition, but recasts the biblical figures as Game of Thrones characters.

[crossy_woad]

That could be a thing, but I've never seen it. I'm not super active in art comms. I just see people on Tumblr saying "someone posted my art and claimed it as theirs, not cool" sort of thing. That's the only fan art theft I've heard of.

[blitzwing]

You've never been audience to style-theft wank? It's a treasure. A lot of times it's not even the artist who initiates it, it's their fans who decide to go dogpile some poor kid for drawing like their idol.

[(Anonymous)]

Heard about people doing this (not just on Tumblr, lay off on the "everything is tumblr's fault mentality) on everywhere from DA to YouTube. Really had no idea what was going on each time because it just seemed like Adult A draws like this and Kid A has a similiar style. But then Kid A's fans attack Adult A claiming they stole the style whereas Kids B, C, and D, claim Kid A is a thief and did it on purpose. Even worse if you have a style similar to the actual author.

Oh but for some reason it's fair game to copy Disney animators or something like that. Which is kinda confusing because why just them???

[(Anonymous)]

That's fne, but that's not what the words in the secret say.

[(Anonymous)]

That sounds really hilarious. DaVinci views Deviantart...and discovers furry porn. Get on it, writers.

[(Anonymous)]

Already mentioned what you said but making money off of parody shouldn't be banned. That'd just be censorship.

And the pie analogy is very underwhemling tbh. What if you bought the pie at a market and the person was right in front of you when you said it? lol

[blitzwing]

Yep, pretty much. I think there's good arguments on both sides of the copyright/IP debate, but people that pick and choose based on their own actions are ridiculous. "Anything goes when it's me! But don't you dare use that brush combo in your art that brush combo is MINE YOU LITTLE THIEF!" is just...lmao.