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I don't see how downloading illegally and deleting is any different than getting something from the library.

The library still pays for the thing.

Well, for one, libraries pay for books, and for another, it would be physically impossible to lend one copy of a book out to thousands of people in a single month. That's why they have to buy several copies of popular books. There's no massive spread of data involved.

THANK YOU

So, you're going to thank them for being as shortsighted as you? People have already said why this is flawed logic.

I don't care.

I'm not even anti downloading but it's a terrible analogy

You might be on to something if we nationalized film production or something I guess

Wow. Some anons at F!S have such a hate on for torrenting media. I actually didn't even know there were people who were this against it until the subject came up here.

Like, I torrent things. It's a thing I do, and have been doing, and have zero compunction about doing. Almost everyone I know torrents a lot of their media. It's beyond normal. This moral outrage about it is jarring.

Imagine my surprise! I got the same surpringly negative reaction yesterday too!

Again, I'm not morally outraged at torrenting or pirating. I just think that this is a fantastically specious argument in its favor.

You.ve normalized theft. Doesn't mean it's right just because "it's a thing you do."

See, the thing is, I literally do not care. If it's wrong, it's such a minor wrong in the grand scheme of things that you may as well be trying to shame me for...oh god, IDEK...jaywalking or not using the disgusting and deeply inconvenient compostable-garbage bucket the city wants me to use.

Well, I actually feel a little bit bad about not using the compostable-garbage bucket. But the point stands.

In addition to what everyone else has said, your tax dollars are funding that library so you are "paying" for the book - which is a single physical copy. A library is MUCH more comparable to Netflix or another subscription streaming service.

You're a thief. Just admit to it.

Going to assume that you're 13 and therefore don't know about taxes...

When you borrow something from the library, they keep count. Also, if you place a hold on something and a lot of people also placed a reservation, they keep count of that too. In both cases, they would buy more of that same book/dvd/etc and thus the money will go to the people who created it. That's the difference, I hope that helps!

Public library employee here-- People who live in places with public libraries pay taxes, some portion of which pay for the purchasing of books, dvds, subscription databases, zumba classes, ebooks, children's storytime, computers, and whatever else, which are then available to said tax-paying public for "free." Librarians and other staff keep track of what authors and movies and so on are popular, and buy more copies of popular things. Ebooks have a lending limit license, and can mostly only be used by a certain number of patrons a certain number of times before the library has to purchase another copy. In some ways, print books are more economical; it's possible to frankenstein a new cover and endpapers on an old hardback. Also, we count the number of tines books and movies and so on are checked out, which is why so many libraries appreciate it if you don't reshelve books.

Piracy is theft of potential profit. I prefer pirates to people who straight-up steal from libraries, and it is possible to pirate simply by copying a library owned dvd or cd and returning it, but I buy dvds if I can get my hands on them, which is not always the case, and pirate (or rather, have friends with faster internet pirate) the occasional thing that isn't available on dvd because my computer is a dinosaur and my internet connection is slow as shit, so streaming and downloading aren't good options unless I want to spend a month watching my computer crash.

What do you mean by re-shelve books? And wow I had no idea people steal from libraries. I thought the barcode on books prevented anyone from taking anything without borrowing it first.

I'm not a librarian, but my mother is. Those barcodes can be removed... not easily, but they can. Also the security system gives off false alarms and if you don't stop walking, chances are nobody will chase after you because the library staff here is 80% little old ladies.

People have also stolen pages out of coffee table or reference books by simply cutting them right out of the binding. CDs/DVDs get stolen by someone who steals the disc and leaves the case (with the security barcode!) hidden somewhere in the library. It's kind of crazy and awful what people do.

AYRT--oop, didn't explain the reshelve thing--when you're browsing in a library, take a bunch of stuff off the shelves, and only check out a quarter of it because not all of it looked interesting or useful on closer inspection, we want you to leave the stuff you didn't want on a cart or the designated shelf end or whatever, so we can put it back, because first we mark down that it was looked at and not checked out, which can sometimes save stuff that's not often checked out from being culled, and is pretty much the only eay to see which reference books are popular.

Oh I had no idea!! I always ended up reshelving the books I didn't borrow because I felt bad for leaving it. I will keep this in mind when I go to the library. Thanks for the clarification!

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