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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-05-23 06:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #3428 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3428 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2016-05-23 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
You sound like a prissy, uptight schoolmarm.

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(Anonymous) 2016-05-23 11:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know what to tell you, man

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(Anonymous) 2016-05-23 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Da

Not really tho. Anon explained it perfectly.

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(Anonymous) 2016-05-23 11:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes really tho.

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(Anonymous) 2016-05-23 11:28 pm (UTC)(link)
No. They explained it perfectly, without sarcasm or rudeness. Their explanation was basic as any textbook.

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(Anonymous) 2016-05-23 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
"Now children, today we're all going to learn why racism is bad and wrong and what white people should and should not do."

Fuck lectures. Fuck what holier-than-thou schoolmarms think white people should and should not do.

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(Anonymous) 2016-05-23 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
So, like, you object to the concept of talking about racism in general?

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(Anonymous) 2016-05-23 11:35 pm (UTC)(link)
If it includes the word "should" or "shouldn't," yes. That's not a discussion. It's a sermon.

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(Anonymous) 2016-05-23 11:36 pm (UTC)(link)
So for you, the idea of racism in society doesn't issue into precepts for ethical action? That is to say, the existence of racism oughtn't to have any impact on our personal conduct? Or we ought to find a different way of talking about it? Or what?

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(Anonymous) 2016-05-23 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm saying IT'S A FUCKING SONG. IT'S A JOKE.

When you make everything under the sun an ethical dilemma, don't be surprised when people stop giving a shit about any of your ethics.

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(Anonymous) 2016-05-23 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
So what kinds of things, in general, are for you things that shouldn't be a matter of ethical concern?

Can we treat - for instance - Horst-Wessel-Lied as a matter of ethical concern? What about minstrel songs or blackface? Those were originally comedic, but they're now regarded as being deeply racist.

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(Anonymous) 2016-05-23 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
So what kinds of things, in general, are for you things that shouldn't be a matter of ethical concern?

Speech.

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(Anonymous) 2016-05-23 11:32 pm (UTC)(link)
"Tho" is AAVE. Please stop using it.

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(Anonymous) 2016-05-23 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
What is AAVE?

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(Anonymous) 2016-05-23 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
African-American vernacular English.
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[personal profile] comma_chameleon 2016-05-23 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
So... a common lazy shorthand is now being ascribed to one particular subset of Americans and no one else can use it. Oh. Okay. What about 'thru'? Or 'ok'? Can we use those?

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(Anonymous) 2016-05-23 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't make the claim about 'tho', I was just saying what AAVE stands for.

My personal view is that cultural discourse in America is a rich and complex tapestry and that it's natural for things to spread between different groups - that's just the way that language works - but at the same time you have to strike a balance with identity and belonging and self-hood, and I think the best approach to striking that balance is to look at the specifics and decide on a case by case basis. Making hard-and-fast rules usually leads to a nonsensical conclusion. So, for me, slang like "tho" is just a part of the wider American vernacular, the rich interplay of language and meaning that's part of the human heritage. But something like "Oakland booty" is too specific of a reference to a place and a community for me to be comfortable treating it that way.

But that's just how I happen to feel about it.

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(Anonymous) 2016-05-23 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
No.

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(Anonymous) 2016-05-23 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
No, "tho" as an abbreviation has been used since the Revolutionary Wr and throughout the 20th century in correspondence by American white people.

Slang wasn't invented by black twitter tho.