[ SECRET POST #3432 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3432 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Flaky Pastry]



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02. http://i.imgur.com/kqv1lD2.gifv
[Homestuck, gif]


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03. [SPOILERS for Fire Emblem Fates]




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04. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]




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05. [SPOILERS for Captain America: Civil War]




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06. [WARNING for all common triggers/general discussion of triggering material]




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07. [WARNING for rape]























Notes:

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Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It would have been one thing for me if Tony had just lashed out at Bucky momentarily and then stopped, but he kept going trying to murder him. And that was a dealbreaker for me, on top of all the other extremely skeevy, messed-up things Tony'd been doing in the movie, like revealing the existence Clint's family to Ross and attacking Sam when Sam had stood down from the fight.

[philstar22]

Exactly. It wasn't a momentary reaction. He kept going. And then the way he talked to Steve at the end. For me that just crossed the line and while I can understand him being angry about his parents death, he was still in the wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, the way he treated Steve at that point really left a bad taste in my mouth.

It doesn't help that Tony's life was basically intact afterwards, too. He still had his wealth and his good name, all his property and the Avengers or what was left of them. There were no consequences to him for breaking the Accords (which leads me to think he's not one of the people they're actually aimed at). His best friend doesn't blame him, and they get to chill together at the compound. While everyone else is either in prison or on the run and basically they don't have anything except each other. Steve doesn't even have Bucky.

[kallanda_lee]

What really, really did it for me, was at the very end - when Bucky has already lost his arm, he was lying on the floor, and was sort of pathetically just trying to pull Tony off Steve - and Tony just KICKS him in the face in full Iron Man armor.

I'm sorry, but what kind of hero is that? You wouldn't do that to a rabid dog, let alone a human being. It was downright brutal, towards someone who at that point is defenseless.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. Tony was getting ready to kick Bucky in the face again while Bucky was lying helpless and injured on the floor, when Steve bodily picked Tony up and threw him away from him. Tony's anger is understandable in that last act, but his actions are not those of a hero.

[(Anonymous)]

They were definitely setting Iron Man up as the bully in that scene, to mirror the "I can do this all day" scene from TFA. I winced but I also sniggered because I knew now that he'd literally kicked the fandom's beloved puppy, he wasn't getting away lightly.

[(Anonymous)]

How is this any worse that Steve, Bucky and Sam throwing around (and presumably seriously injuring and/or killing) innocent civilians earlier in the film though? Heroes don't act the way Steve was acting for half the film, imo but no one is angry at him for his bullshit 'cause he was protecting the fandom darling.

[kallanda_lee]

- if you're talking about Lagos: they were actually trying to stop a biological weapon. Now don't get me wrong, I do think that Tony has a POINT with the accords, it's just the way

- if you're talking about the stairway scene: those are hardly innocent civilians, they're a trained killed stroke force. It was self defense (they had shoot to kill orders)

- if you're talking about the car chase...ehm, I saw someone got throws off a motorbike? I've fallen harder than that off my own stupidity.


I'm not saying it's right, or that there's not a good case for the Accords - however, I'm saying there's a moral difference between collateral damage (especially if there would have been more deaths without intervention) and willfully, brutally trying to kill a man who is already down. that says something about your character.

[fishnchips]

I thought that whole mess was a perfect example of hilariously faulty superhero movie logic: Steve kept saying "ooohhh but don't kill anyone" and five minutes later, he keeps punching people's heads in and guts out full force with his shield. You can't tell me a full on hit on the head or in the stomach with Steve's shield/strength combo doesn't do irreparable organ/spinal/brain damage. And that's not even counting the collapsed tunnel full of civillian cars.

[ketita]

The only way I made sense of that was by assuming that the movie meant us to believe that somehow none of these people were killed because uh superheroes or something.
Because I was also really bothered by the violence in that scene. There should have been a lot of dead/crippled people... but eh, whatever. Since the movie didn't address it, I guess I'll just pretend?

[(Anonymous)]

kek are you bitter everyone dumped your old and busted favorite for the far superior Bucky, anon~?

[(Anonymous)]

He pretty much did only lash out at Bucky momentarily. That fight scene wasn't all that long. The end shows that he didn't keep going after Bucky. He's not trying to find him, he's not trying to bring Cap down for protecting him. When Bucky inevitably shows up in Avengers 3, because we all know that cryofreeze won't last any longer than that, he'll probably still dislike him, but I sincerely doubt he'll be gunning for the guy.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

No. Bucky tried to run, tony followed him and actively tried to keep him from escaping. He shot missiles at him. Tony kept going even after both Bucky ("I remember all of them.") and Steve ("This won't change what happened!") tried to get through to him and Tony's answer was "I don't care!" Tony only stopped trying to kill Bucky when Steve disabled his suit. He would have kept going until he'd killed Bucky, if Steve hadn't intervened. That's not momentarily lashing out; that's seriously trying to kill someone in a rage.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

I get being angry and upset, but he already knew Bucky had been brainwashed and tortured and had no choice in any of it.

You know who didn't know that? T'Challa. T'Challa was 100% in it to kill Bucky, until he learned the whole story, and he was able to immediately, despite his own parent's death being only three days prior.

[(Anonymous)]

T'Challa even stops Zemo from killing himself, you know the actually guy responsible for his father's death. It's funny how people are glossing over that.

[thezmage]

I think it's funny how you're interpreting that as an act of mercy, when it really, really was not.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think AYRT is interpreting it as an act of mercy so much as an act of not psychopathic rage. It wasn't merciful, but it was definitely calculated and thought out, rather than Tony's 'RAWR SMASH' episode.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it would have totally been cooler of Tony to have shown Bucky some T'Challa-style mercy by selling him to Hydra or something.

[(Anonymous)]

Or just, you know, not acted like a raging psychopathic manchild.

[(Anonymous)]

Good thing MCU movies continually build off each other. Tony and Steve barely got some closure with that letter. You can't really expect everything to end nicely now especially since the next Avengers is coming up and the perfect opportunity for Tony to give Cap back his shield or maybe use that tech we saw at the beginning of CW to help Bucky get rid of the trigger words.

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe because we saw the film and remember that T'Challa was full of blood-lust revenge rage for 97% of the film and was going to stop at nothing to kill Bucky. I mean, how dare Tony fight Bucky for a whole 5 minutes after watching the dude murder his parents and finding out that his teammate(s) hid that information from him for years, right?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, that was in the heat of the moment after realizing his parents didn't just die in a crash they were murdered. That anon is talking about the end of the movie, he's had time to process it and understand Bucky was only brainwashed.

You honestly can't expect Tony to be as trusting of Bucky as Steve is. He doesn't know him that well.

[nonnymouscawitz]

I'm really really late to the party and I doubt anyone will actually see this, but I think what people are missing basically comes down to 'Gameplay and Story Segregation.' The fight didn't go on like that because they wanted to demonstrate Tony's relative emotional state and or mental illness. It went on like that because this is an action movie where viewers were promised Iron Man Vs. Captain America. It's the same reason we as an audience (in every movie except for this one) are supposed to ignore the fact that superheroes destroying half the city would kill a fuckton of people: Because it looks really cool. Given the context clues (Tony previously being on Bucky's side, Tony not chasing them later, Steve writing Tony an apology letter...), it's pretty clear that it was intended to be 'Iron Man irrationally freaks out and we draw it out as long as our special effects budget will let us because EXPLOSIONS.' and not 'Iron Man is a complete irredeemable asshole who tries to murder people for no reason.' They just didn't think about the fact that drawing out the fight scene meant their rational would wear thin. It's bad storyboarding and pacing, not bad characters.