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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-05-30 07:05 pm

[ SECRET POST #3435 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3435 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2016-06-02 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
I feel like you are really being deliberately obtuse here. No one except you has said anything about "expecting" to be forgiven, or being
entitled" to it because "nobody's perfect." Let me break it down for you step by step.

(1) A reason to forgive others

(2) is that we ourselves are not perfect and may one day be in need of forgiveness--because nobody gets through life without sinning against others (yes, I went there)

(3) so we act toward others (forgiving those who have wronged us) as we would wish and hope for them to act toward us.

Whether or not they're sorry might have a bearing on whether we want to forgive them, or whether we feel safe forgiving them. But really, the only reason we need to forgive others is that we might one day need the same ourselves, and that we should treat others the way we would hope to be treated. It doesn't, of course, mean we will be forgiven, whether we're sorry or not. After all, no one has to forgive anyone, no matter how sorry they are.

(Anonymous) 2016-06-02 03:02 am (UTC)(link)
But really, the only reason we need to forgive others is that we might one day need the same ourselves, and that we should treat others the way we would hope to be treated.

Which is again you saying that there would be no point to forgiving anyone if doing so might not directly benefit you. And again, that is selfish, toxic bullshit.

(Anonymous) 2016-06-02 04:01 am (UTC)(link)
Nope. If forgiving others were some sort of guarantee that you would be forgiven yourself if you needed it, if there were such a thing as a deposit in the forgiveness karma bank, then you might say that you were giving in order to get. But there's no guarantee, so you're not forgiving in order to receive some future benefit. It's not like social security, you're not paying into the system in order to take out at a future date. It's just treating others the way you would hope to be treated yourself.

(Anonymous) 2016-06-02 04:35 am (UTC)(link)
You just got done saying that the ONLY reason to forgive is in the hope you might benefit from it. Yes, that is fucking selfish and no matter what language you couch it in, it always will be.

(Anonymous) 2016-06-02 04:38 am (UTC)(link)
So by the same logic, the only reason to be nice to a woman is in the hope that she'll give you a blowjob someday when you really need one, right?

(Anonymous) 2016-06-02 04:50 am (UTC)(link)
What the fuck even is this?

(Anonymous) 2016-06-02 10:29 am (UTC)(link)
It's illustrating how self-serving Anon's argument is. "Forgive people in the hope they'll do the same for you when you need it" is the same creepy reasoning Nice Guys use when they're being nice to women in the hope of getting sexual favors. It's ridiculously selfish and entitled.

"Treat people how you want to be treated" is a selfish, toxic view because it's forcing your preference onto other people. What if they don't want to be treated the way you want to be treated?