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What are some examples of shows where the Aesop is either completely off the wall or just fall through where they shouldn't? Inspired by the Hey Arnold episode I am watching, where the moral appears to be 'Snitches get Stitches' and I am mildly frustrated.

Well, the How I Met Your Mother final has the terrible message of the only goals worth having are family and kids. If your goals are career, you will lose your husband and all your friends and it will be your fault. And also the message that if a girl says she doesn't like a guy like that and says it over and over again, it doesn't matter and he should keep trying.

That second message was also the message of the final episode of iCarly. Joy.

I don't even LIKE HIMYM, I saw one episode and couldn't stand it, and I was still irritated on behalf of the fans when I heard how it ended.

I honestly can't even explain why I like the show. I usually hate comedy. I just ended up falling in love with it. But on every rewatch now I skip the final. The final was awful.

I just couldn't get into it, and finding out what happened with Barney and Robin later just didn't sell me on it.

I totally don't blame you.

Couldn't the "if your goals are your career" thing be equally said of Barney though? They basically dumped each other. And Robin didn't have even the reset goal of kids, just Ted.

It was a terrible finale that spit in the face of everything we knew and loved about the characters, but to put it all on Robin is ignoring that it was crap all around.

I though the episode was pretty clear that they broke up because Barney didn't like traveling with Robin for her job. I wouldn't have minded it as much if it had been Barney going back to his old ways. It would still not have been great, but at least it wouldn't have all been placed on Robin.

Which episode is that?

And where are you watching Hey Arnold? I found a bunch of them on YouTube once, but they got taken down. :(

I was watching 'Full Moon,' where Sid, Stinky, and Harold moon the principle, on Hulu.

I remember seeing an old episode of "Happy Days" a while back where the guys were kinda trying to learn the art of taking off a girl's bra. And there was a whole lot of talk about "good girls" versus the ones with "reputations" (in terms of which ones to avoid or to try and get with), and one particular girl was rumored to have been with a lot of guys (she wasn't, but the guys just claimed they done all this stuff with her). I understand the show was supposed to be set in the 1950s and all, but still...

The creepiest part, though, was a scene where that same girl quoted a teacher telling her that "built girls" get a lot of attention, and said teacher had also copped a feel with her...and she laughed that off like it was no big deal! O.o

The weirdest part is that I remember hearing that that episode had been banned from airing on some local stations when it originally aired...because of the guys learning how to take off a bra. The attitudes about women's sex lives or the creepy "teacher groping a student" thing didn't faze them, just the "taking off a bra" bit.

Wow that is just awful. Really, really awful.

It really was quite "WTF?", yeah. Especially considering this is supposed to be an innocent little show that "the whole family can watch together".

And this was early in the series, so Fonzie didn't yet have his leather jacket ('cause that would make him look a bit "too edgy" for viewers! Can't have that!)...and he was kinda bummed about the realization that that girl who'd supposedly been with a lot of guys hadn't.

But then as the series went on, later in its run all of a sudden Fonzie was this total "respectful towards women" sort of guy. I suppose maybe that could qualify as some sort of character development, but even so, it was really weird and jarring to see him acting that way in this episode.

A lot of them if you think about it too hard. :(

So I have spoken to you several times so far and am just now getting the link between your icon and your username, and I just started giggling.

Thanks :)
I just wanted to think of something random and slightly cute that wasn't taken. TBH I'm not even into the game very much anymore. :/

It feels like every episode of OUAT post season 3 is full of broken Aesops. The fucked morality isn't the main reason I quit watching but it's definitely a contributing factor. Bad shit is not suddenly squeaky clean because the heroes did it.

It also can't quite decide how it feels about bad guys. It very much tries to get across the message that anyone can be redeemed, no matter how severe their crime, and yet keeps repeatedly punishing Regina to the point where I want to scream. Either we're forgiving her for all the awful things she did, or we aren't, but we need to pick one.

AYRT--I don't watch OUAT anymore and haven't since season 3, I'm not even a Regina fan, and won't be until and unless the show addresses her raping Graham (so, never, basically) but the way Robin was written off was horrifying and felt like the writers taking a dump on Regina and Regina/Robin fans for no other reason than spite. Basically Emma lost her spine and her willingness to fight for underdogs when she fell for Hook, Snow and Charming were retconned from being good-hearted but stupid (aka check Regina's castle for captives when you defeat her before you let her go, maybe, so all the people with hearts in her vault aren't her unwilling slaves anymore?) to mustache-twirlingly cruel (baby-napping they didn't think counted because 'it's a monster dragon baby oops it's a human oh well), Zelena is redeemed after raping Robin, killing Marian, torturing Rumple, and engineering Neal's death... but it's a family show, guys, really! The moral guardian outrage over OUAT's blink and you'll miss them queer couple is totally misplaced, but they're right that it's morally fucked up, just not why.

I genuinely did not believe it was going to end that way. I was sure there was going to be some kind of plot twist that brought him back, but nope, that only happens to Emma. The morality in that show is all over the place and while I still love all the characters/actors, I cringed through the plotlines in this season.

I honestly feel bad for the actors now. The show's quality has deteriorated so much. Even in the early seasons, the show wasn't that amazing or anything. But it did have that fun, fantasy vibe going for it that worked. Now it's just embarrassing to watch. I noped out after Belle ditched Will Scarlet for Rumple for no good reason. That was the last straw.

That said, the last time I enjoyed the show was the Frozen arc. But I think that only worked so well because it was so well cast.

I always hated the way the show kept on insisting that Emma was just as much Henry's mother has Regina. It was always super problematic. Especially in S3 (???), when Henry had lost him memory for most of the season and Emma was planning on taking him back to New York.

AYRT--meanwhile, I was always sad that Regina kept sole custody of Henry after leaving him alone for hours to have sex with her sex slave, convincing him he was crazy, isolating him from people who wanted to help him, and, because he was the only person who aged, insuring he had no friends for the first 10 years of his life. And then in season 2 there was mindwiping him to forget her plot to kidnap him back to the Enchanted Forest and destroy Storybrooke, his biomom, and one and a half sets of grandparents. And, always, by her rape of Graham.

It's funny, I was never a big Graham fan, but there are apparently Regina fans who claim he was somehow a horrible person (how?) as though that justifies Regina's raping him in two worlds. I mean, Rumpelstiltskin has legitimately been a horrible person and I don't think he deserved to be tortured, kept in a cage for a year, or sexually assaulted in a hospital bed until he flatlined by the other, badly-retconned-in Mills sister. Regina has been horrible but Robin didn't deserve to be raped by Zelena (please, just let her be killed off for real) because Regina loved him. Roland didn't deserve to lose his mom to murder, first by Regina, then by Zelena, and again when obvious-retcon fake Marian was revealed as Zelena. Fuck this show.

Reflecting on it in order to summarize it here, I'm realizing it has its own merits as an aesop, but having watched it in middle school, I'd just like to say that the "A Date With Enid" episode of Charles in Charge drove me crazy.

In it, Lila's geeky friend Enid gets a makeover and she doesn't change back and learn she was beautiful all along or that beauty isn't the most important thing or even that her quirky hobbies and geeky look are what make her beautiful in her own way.

Also in the episode, Lila's younger brother Douglas has a crush on Enid, and he's really disappointed with the makeover because he liked her the way she was, but he says as much to Charles and asks if she's gonna change back, and the answer he gets is basically: Nah, she's happy now. As if she wasn't before.

Idk. I haven't watched it in a long while, and in today's cultural climate of Nice Guys TM always saying they like women without makeup better, etc., that aesop has its place, but as an insecure middle schooler, the aesop read more to me like: Conformity is great & the only thing that matters is being pretty because everyone's gonna think your niche interests & glasses & braces etc. are weird and ugly.

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