[ SECRET POST #3444 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3444 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Well-intentioned social movements that annoy you

[(Anonymous)]

No. They are being willfully ignorant.

Re: Well-intentioned social movements that annoy you

[nonnymouscawitz]

Again, I know quite a few, and they have many sources for their belief, they just lack the ability to discern good sources from bad. Ignorance, yes, but not willful ignorance.

Re: Well-intentioned social movements that annoy you

[slashgirl]

It is willful ignorance when you endanger not only YOUR child's life, but other people's children.

Re: Well-intentioned social movements that annoy you

[nonnymouscawitz]

I would argue that willful implies intent, and these people believe they're doing proper research. I'm not arguing about ignorancr, they're definitely ignorant I just don't think it's "willful".

Re: Well-intentioned social movements that annoy you

[diet_poison]

I mean that's not the definition of "willful ignorance"

It's stupid and reckless and should be illegal, but "willful ignorance" refers to how an action came about, not the action itself

Re: Well-intentioned social movements that annoy you

[dancingmouse]

Heard immunity. It's a wonderful thing the anti-vaxxers really should take to heart.

Re: Well-intentioned social movements that annoy you

[nonnymouscawitz]

Ugh, I've already had to talk to some of my relatives about how it works, because they didn't get why I cared so much that their kids weren't vaccinated if vaccines worked.

Re: Well-intentioned social movements that annoy you

[diet_poison]

I hate this attitude. It's not just about the herd immunity thing either. I also wonder if they think it's weird that I care about their kids too, because their kid are also people who are vulnerable and deserve proper medical care.

Re: Well-intentioned social movements that annoy you

[nonnymouscawitz]

Seriously! I keep finding articles from people who's kids got whooping cough and things like that and cringing.

Re: Well-intentioned social movements that annoy you

[diet_poison]

Those make me so sad :( those poor kids

Re: Well-intentioned social movements that annoy you

[(Anonymous)]

Unfortunately, most of them seem to take herd immunity as another reason why they shouldn't vaccinate. If their child benefits from it, they don't need vaccines! If it breaks down because too many idiots are failing to get their children vaccinated, it proves vaccines aren't really important for public health!

It's completely backasswards logic, but they've fixated so hard there's no talking sense to them.

Re: Well-intentioned social movements that annoy you

[dancingmouse]

B-but...THAT MAKES NO SENSE! How can they be protected when they not? They're just causing complications for the future, not fixing them. They're potentially breeding super bugs and bringing back old diseases that we had under control until they decided to cause outbreaks by not vaccinating.

I really don't get some people. I really, really don't.

Re: Well-intentioned social movements that annoy you

[(Anonymous)]

I'd agree with you except that so many of the people you're talking about are online and could easily research the topic on their own or consult their own doctors... but they're not. Instead, they're spending a great deal of energy visiting pseudo-scientific sources AND spread them like it's the gospel truth. At some point, refusing to educate yourself even though you have the opportunity to do so is willful ignorance in my book.

Re: Well-intentioned social movements that annoy you

[nonnymouscawitz]

could easily research the topic on their own

Yes, and they do. You even said flat out they're spending a great deal of energy visiting pseudo-scientific sources That IS research. It is just research that is resulting in bad sources, which these people are unable to differentiate from good sources. Which is the very definition of ignorance, it's not willful ignorance if you do all these research and come up with the wrong answer because you don't know any better.

Re: Well-intentioned social movements that annoy you

[(Anonymous)]

Okay, but if you google "do vaccines cause autism", the whole first page of results are links that say nope, they don't. The second result is the CDC. At this point, you kind of have to be living under a rock to NOT stumble across sources that say there is no scientific basis for the belief that vaccines cause autism. I have a very difficult time believing that these parents you speak of have done so much work and yet managed to avoid anything even remotely like a good source.

Re: Well-intentioned social movements that annoy you

[nonnymouscawitz]

Because they get their information from fellow Antivaxxers who tell them not to trust those sources. I'm not saying they're not ignorant. They're very ignorant. I'm saying 'willful' ignorance implies intent. (Also I did that google search and found one of the very first links is 'MMR whistleblower confirms that vaccines cause autism')