[ SECRET POST #3452 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3452 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Courage, the Cowardly Dog]



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[Vampire Princess Miyu]


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[Powerpuff Girls]


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[The Mummy and The Mummy Returns, Evelyn/Imhotep]


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[Orphan Black]


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[Lost in Translation]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think the difference is definitely in the media's self-awareness! 50 Shades of Gray does not warn you for abusive dynamics, it just calls itself a BDSM book; a fic is usually self-aware and all about making a big show OF the nasty, sick or degenerate aspects. Is it 'normalizing' to call rape rape? I don't think depicting something is normalizing, or else any media of anything bad would do so. I think normalizing is in not treating it as an irregular or bad thing.

I think a lot of media DOES normalize by NOT labeling things, or calling attention to something being bad. A lot of dynamics in popular media are presented as romantic, such as possessive behavior, or romanticizing unequal power dynamics... I feel very uncomfortable when I read a fic that WASN'T tagged for rape/noncon but very much has coercion in it, because it means the OP doesn't register what they wrote as being non-consensual. It implies their idea of consent is inaccurate, which is scary. Unfortunately also common because of how more popular media ISN'T labeling these things as rape!

If anything, the self-awareness of fic makes me give it a pass, because at least people know what they are writing, make no mistake about it. A lot of skeevy show-writers are writing their sexual fantasies and not second-guessing themselves on the nature of what they're depicting... fandom is generally like "yeah, I know this is gross/bad but I'm horny for that".

This is from the perspective of someone who really enjoys non-con works, but for whom an untagged fic can absolutely twist my stomach because I wasn't braced for the content. The difference feels huge to me, between someone normalizing something, or treating it like it's not fucked up, VS engaging in a filthy fantasy knowingly.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I agree. And in that way, I actually think kink works can be a jumping board to discuss the difference between what is acceptable in fiction vs. reality, and what does or doesn't count as healthy. Basically, I think the way the Homestuck Kink Meme handled kink is ideal.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel very uncomfortable when I read a fic that WASN'T tagged for rape/noncon but very much has coercion in it, because it means the OP doesn't register what they wrote as being non-consensual. It implies their idea of consent is inaccurate, which is scary.

*nods* I noticed a bit of this happening in Supernatural fandom several years back. Character A would initiate sex with Character B; Character B would say, "No," and try to get away (sometimes to the extent of fighting to get away); Character A wouldn't stop; later Character A would say, "I raped you," and Character B would respond, "No, you didn't. If I'd really wanted to, I could have gotten away from you."

What the serious fuck?! And these fics definitely were intending to present the relationship between A and B as romantic; they weren't trying to depict Character B as downplaying a traumatic situation as a coping mechanism or anything like that.