[ SECRET POST #3452 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3452 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Courage, the Cowardly Dog]



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[Vampire Princess Miyu]


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[Powerpuff Girls]


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[The Mummy and The Mummy Returns, Evelyn/Imhotep]


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[Orphan Black]


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[Lost in Translation]


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

This is a debate that I have problems with, myself. On one hand, I have a non-con kink and have no problem reading (and even writing) non-con, as long as, in my mind it's dealt with in the "right way" as in establishing that what has happened is wrong.
I have a friend, however who refuses to read any non-con whatsoever and sees it all as "wrong".
However, I see how the media (including fanfiction) can reflect some of the seedier aspects of society. If it's a deliberate thing, to make a point about how bad/disgusting something is, that's great. But so often, I get the feeling that the writer/maker of the media doesn't even realise that they are actually producing something that is "problematic".
For example, the universally loathed "50 Shades of Grey" is problematic, in that it romanticises abuse. Yes, people can read it, sure. They can do what they want. Is it just a 'fantasy', or does it actually reflect or, to go further, promote women to accept an abusive relationship as 'romantic'?
I really don't know.
But I think it is a debate worth having, rather than just saying 'let people read/watch/listen to what they want.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh wow, I literally just replied to mrs_don_draper with a comment that sounds a whole lot like yours. o.O

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Whoops, I meant darkmanifest, not mrs_don_draper! :P

[(Anonymous)]

I think the difference is definitely in the media's self-awareness! 50 Shades of Gray does not warn you for abusive dynamics, it just calls itself a BDSM book; a fic is usually self-aware and all about making a big show OF the nasty, sick or degenerate aspects. Is it 'normalizing' to call rape rape? I don't think depicting something is normalizing, or else any media of anything bad would do so. I think normalizing is in not treating it as an irregular or bad thing.

I think a lot of media DOES normalize by NOT labeling things, or calling attention to something being bad. A lot of dynamics in popular media are presented as romantic, such as possessive behavior, or romanticizing unequal power dynamics... I feel very uncomfortable when I read a fic that WASN'T tagged for rape/noncon but very much has coercion in it, because it means the OP doesn't register what they wrote as being non-consensual. It implies their idea of consent is inaccurate, which is scary. Unfortunately also common because of how more popular media ISN'T labeling these things as rape!

If anything, the self-awareness of fic makes me give it a pass, because at least people know what they are writing, make no mistake about it. A lot of skeevy show-writers are writing their sexual fantasies and not second-guessing themselves on the nature of what they're depicting... fandom is generally like "yeah, I know this is gross/bad but I'm horny for that".

This is from the perspective of someone who really enjoys non-con works, but for whom an untagged fic can absolutely twist my stomach because I wasn't braced for the content. The difference feels huge to me, between someone normalizing something, or treating it like it's not fucked up, VS engaging in a filthy fantasy knowingly.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I agree. And in that way, I actually think kink works can be a jumping board to discuss the difference between what is acceptable in fiction vs. reality, and what does or doesn't count as healthy. Basically, I think the way the Homestuck Kink Meme handled kink is ideal.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel very uncomfortable when I read a fic that WASN'T tagged for rape/noncon but very much has coercion in it, because it means the OP doesn't register what they wrote as being non-consensual. It implies their idea of consent is inaccurate, which is scary.

*nods* I noticed a bit of this happening in Supernatural fandom several years back. Character A would initiate sex with Character B; Character B would say, "No," and try to get away (sometimes to the extent of fighting to get away); Character A wouldn't stop; later Character A would say, "I raped you," and Character B would respond, "No, you didn't. If I'd really wanted to, I could have gotten away from you."

What the serious fuck?! And these fics definitely were intending to present the relationship between A and B as romantic; they weren't trying to depict Character B as downplaying a traumatic situation as a coping mechanism or anything like that.