[ SECRET POST #3453 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3453 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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03. [SPOILERS for SnK]



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04. [SPOILERS for Shadowhunters]



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05. [SPOILERS for Attack On Titan/Shingeki no Kyojin]



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06. [WARNING for RL family death]



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07. [WARNING for abuse]



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08. [WARNING for RL underage sex]

[Lori Maddox, Sable Starr]


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09. [WARNING for child sexual abuse]



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10. [WARNING for incest]

[Wynonna Earp]



















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #493.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Pfft. Stop being deliberately obtuse. It is insanely obvious this entire week full of abuse and woobie secrets is talking about the sort of "rapists can be redeemed if they're handsome and conflicted! Torture is hot" sort of fics. I would bet actual money on the fact that OP is not talking about fics that discuss non-sexualized rape, violence or abuse. All the talk about "shippers" and the people who have made up tragic abuse backgrounds (I've seen it too, I had no idea it was so damn prevalent, I thought I'd run across two lone whackadoos) just so they can ship hot non-con makes it all the more obvious that they're talking about people who overcompensate because they need to feel justified for some reason about liking said ships. I find a lot of people have a hard time just admitting "yeah, I like a fucked up ship, I know it's wrong, I don't condone violance/rape in real life, but for some reason this particular fantasy just gets me off", there always has to be a reason they can point to as if to say "see, I'm not like those people who just like it, those sickos, I'm a survivor, I need this sort of stuff to cope!"

[blitzwing]

I would bet actual money on the fact that OP is not talking about fics that discuss non-sexualized rape, violence or abuse.

If you make statements about "people that read non-con fic" you're making statements about people that read non-con fic--not "people that read a very certain, specific subset of non-con fic that you're supposed to read my mind and know I'm talking about, instead of what I said."

It is insanely obvious this entire week full of abuse and woobie secrets is talking about the sort of "rapists can be redeemed if they're handsome and conflicted! Torture is hot" sort of fics.

And yet the people that go after non-con writers and readers (thus leading to people feeling the need to justify their preferences) do not make that distinction either--serious, non-sexualized non-con works get attacked just like the dirtiest PWPs. See: Sodomquake, where no actually gave a fuck that she wasn't writing porn when they went for their pitchforks.

I find a lot of people have a hard time just admitting "yeah, I like a fucked up ship, I know it's wrong, I don't condone violance/rape in real life, but for some reason this particular fantasy just gets me off", there always has to be a reason they can point to as if to say "see, I'm not like those people who just like it, those sickos, I'm a survivor, I need this sort of stuff to cope!"

Sure. But that doesn't justify projecting your own feelings on other people, making generalizations and baseless assumptions about them, and putting your opinion out there as fact ("Just admit you're reading X fic to get the tingles--I know more about your motives than you do!").

Non-sexualized fic aside, talking only about smutty PWPs, it's still bullshit to tell abuse/rape survivors "LOL you're a liar, you're really just getting off on this stuff aren't you? ;)" in fact it's pretty creepy.

[(Anonymous)]

[i]"If you make statements about "people that read non-con fic" you're making statements about people that read non-con fic--not "people that read a very certain, specific subset of non-con fic that you're supposed to read my mind and know I'm talking about, instead of what I said.""[/i]

Except they very clearly do make a distinction. The waxing on about romanticizing it should be a big fat clue. This is less about OP not being clear and more about you having a lack of reading comprehension.

[i]"And yet the people that go after non-con writers and readers (thus leading to people feeling the need to justify their preferences) do not make that distinction either--serious, non-sexualized non-con works get attacked just like the dirtiest PWPs. See: Sodomquake, where no actually gave a fuck that she wasn't writing porn when they went for their pitchforks."[/i]

And yet I see the exact opposite. Funny how that works, right? The reality is probably somewhere closer to the middle of the two, were some people are wrongfully caught in the crossfire. I have zero idea who Sodomquake is and since literally all of the evidence has apparently been deleted I can't exactly comment on this in good conscience.

"Sure. But that doesn't justify projecting your own feelings on other people, making generalizations and baseless assumptions about them, and putting your opinion out there as fact ("Just admit you're reading X fic to get the tingles--I know more about your motives than you do!").

Except they're naming specific events in which this is ABSOLUTELY not projection, where people have admitted it. Like I said before, I've also seen it.

"Non-sexualized fic aside, talking only about smutty PWPs, it's still bullshit to tell abuse/rape survivors "LOL you're a liar, you're really just getting off on this stuff aren't you? ;)" in fact it's pretty creepy."

There is absolutely a precedent in fandom to use your, as OP put it, "sob story" to garner sympathy and be excused for behaviour you would otherwise be called "gross" for. OP hasn't made a value judgement on ALL rape/abuse survivors (did they even mention rape? I don't feel like re-reading), and in fact they're kind of highlighting the hypocritical nature of being told "it's okay to like this bad thing--but only if we feel you have a good enough reason". Mentioning the "How to Like Problematic Things" and stating that outright condemning these sorts of "sexy violence" fics is wrong makes me think you're reeeeeally projecting here.

Also, as an abuse survivor of some pretty horrific shit, no, see stop that shit. Don't fucking coddle me or anybody else who is a survivor and hold us/them to different standards. It's already pretty obvious you're in the "nothing is ever questionable/bad in fiction" camp, but you're basically asking people to give us a pass if they happen to think that using fic that romanticizes and glorifies rape/abuse/sexual violence to "cope" is bullshit simply because we're survivors of abuse. That makes zero sense, and is exactly the sort of attitude that leads to tumblr people making up bullshit abuse stories (and then either getting exposed by IRL friends or admitting it themselves) simply because they wanted to feel they have some sort of get out of jail free fandom card.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Stupid html tags. I hate when different websites use different html. Ah well, it's pretty obvious what I meant to do.

Also, I have a genuine question, why do you fight for those who "use it to cope", but you don't seem concerned (or perhaps haven't thought it through) for the very real amount of abuse survivors out there who get triggered by seeing things like romanticization of the worst night/time period of their lives? Why is protecting those who use it to cope more important than protecting those for whom the trend of romanticizing abuse ships reminds them constantly of a horrific experience?

[blitzwing]

Why is protecting those who use it to cope more important than protecting those for whom the trend of romanticizing abuse ships reminds them constantly of a horrific experience?

Isn't this some zero-sum fallacy you're invoking or something? Anyway, there are excellent tools to avoid triggering content in most fandom spaces.

I'm pretty sure you're trolling though, since in the above comment you went "Don't fucking coddle me or anybody else who is a survivor and hold us/them to different standards" and now you're saying people SHOULD treat you differently and arrange their entire hobbies around protecting you.

But I have to say you are a good troll, you appear pretty legit.

[blitzwing]

The waxing on about romanticizing it should be a big fat clue.

A big fat clue about what? Lots of people attack all fic of a pairing or trope as "romanticizing/glorifiying abuse". OP is spewing the same words and rhetoric as people that don't make any distinction among abuse/rape fics, and from that we're supposed to deduce that they are somehow super special and not lumping them all together like others do when they say those things?

It's already pretty obvious you're in the "nothing is ever questionable/bad in fiction" camp, but you're basically asking people to give us a pass if they happen to think that using fic that romanticizes and glorifies rape/abuse/sexual violence to "cope" is bullshit simply because we're survivors of abuse.

I am in the "playing moral police over fictional shit is pointless at best and harmful at worst" camp, yes. No, I don't believe anyone needs a pass to read or enjoy any kind of fiction. You don't need to be an abuse survivor or using it to cope or anything else. You just plain like to read about dog!Dean getting fucked by Sam? More power to ya friend.

[(Anonymous)]

nyart

Yeah, like... we've just had discussions here about how ships get labeled pedophilia because of age differences despite the characters being adults. And god help you if one of said characters were ever shown as a kid in canon!