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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-06-25 03:36 pm

[ SECRET POST #3461 ]


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Re: SA

(Anonymous) 2016-06-25 09:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, first, I'm not sure why I'm required to defend SJW types in order to criticize the alt-right. I don't think it's the case that you're either one or the other.

Second, I think that someone trying to justify SJW-ism, as you call it, would probably talk about power in society, and structural inequality, and argue that language can entrench structural inequality and be used as a weapon to maintain it. Do you disagree with that basic underlying idea? Or do you think that there's a similar structural inequality that operates in this instance which this kind of talk is enforcing?

Re: SA

(Anonymous) 2016-06-25 09:09 pm (UTC)(link)
They're an alt-right cuckbot. Either they disagree with that basic concept, or they view it as a good thing.

Re: SA

(Anonymous) 2016-06-25 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Or do you think that there's a similar structural inequality that operates in this instance which this kind of talk is enforcing?

That is exactly what I think.

Re: SA

(Anonymous) 2016-06-25 09:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Can you explain what kind of structural inequality you're referring to?

Re: SA

(Anonymous) 2016-06-25 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm talking about the victimhood hierarchy. The idea that the biggest victim should have the most rights and the biggest platform. It's basically the mirror image of the structural inequality it opposes. When you place that much emphasis on power, there can be no true equality because you only raise the oppressed by oppressing others.

Re: SA

(Anonymous) 2016-06-25 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
So, to sum up what you're saying here, it seems like there are two real arguments you're making here.

1) From an intellectual point of view, SJW ideas put too much emphasis on power in society and language rather than individual liberty; this leads away from equality in society on principle.

2) In practice, SJW ideas set up a hierarchy of victimhood that is fundamentally reproduces the problem with the original structural inequality.

That makes sense, and the one question I have is that I'm not entirely sure that you have the same thing in mind that SJWs do when they talk about structural inequality. They usually refer to something pretty broad-reaching that touches language but also has to do with things like systemic poverty, violence, discrimination, etc. Do you view that kind of broad-reaching structural inequality as existing in your case? Or do you reject that kind of broad understanding of structural inequality? Or some other position

Re: SA

(Anonymous) 2016-06-25 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
You understand me perfectly.

They usually refer to something pretty broad-reaching that touches language but also has to do with things like systemic poverty, violence, discrimination, etc. Do you view that kind of broad-reaching structural inequality as existing in your case?

Oh, absolutely. I'm a liberal, after all. I would love to see them actually address these real-life issues. They seem more interested in policing language, though.

Re: SA

(Anonymous) 2016-06-25 11:15 pm (UTC)(link)
You are not a liberal.

Re: SA

(Anonymous) 2016-06-25 11:24 pm (UTC)(link)
And you are an illiberal asshole.

Re: SA

(Anonymous) 2016-06-26 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
No, that's YOU. Stop projecting and go back to /pol/.