[ SECRET POST #3470 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3470 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

"Yeah, I mean other than all of us who are also trans or NB and find many of those headcanons to be creepily fetishistic or problematic. I mean, what are our feelings? Chopped liver to you? "

Except I'm a trans man and I and many of the other trans men I've spoken to in fandom (including many who write these fics themselves) find many of these fanfics sexy and rather enjoyable, and empowering to see people who don't consider me and my body type a disgusting troll or that I'm worthless because I don't have the almighty cis penis. What are our feelings? Chopped liver to you?

"Oh dear lord you've never been on FFA have you? I could link you to like, a zillion people bitching about how problematic ABO is. And if you check tumblr.com/tagged/kink critical, tumblr.com/tagged/anti-bdsm or tumblr.com/tagged/anti kink and you'll find plenty of people saying BDSM kinks are wrong. "

I'll be honest, I don't even know what "FFA" is. Fanfics Anonymous? Is it an anon meme like this? Aaaaaand yeah, that's probably why I don't see any of that shit because I wouldn't be caught dead perusing tags like "kink critical", because 90% of this bullshit is just "I personally find this offensive, and so I want to feel morally superiour for not liking it". Any legitimate criticism (and don't get me wrong, there is legitimate criticism in trans fic, but it's certainly not "SJ approved gender bending" and "trans men are just glorified wimminz HETSEX HET SEX THEY'RE ALL HOMOPHOBES", and I certainly haven't seen anybody with a measured critique here yet, and frankly I'd rather people who actually enjoy the fanfics to begin with be doing the critiquing because otherwise it devolves into this shitfest where it's less "constructive critique" and more "open season bash fest") gets lost in a massive feces hurricane of righteous fist shaking and kink shaming.

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Except I'm a trans man and I and many of the other trans men I've spoken to in fandom (including many who write these fics themselves) find many of these fanfics sexy and rather enjoyable, and empowering to see people who don't consider me and my body type a disgusting troll or that I'm worthless because I don't have the almighty cis penis. What are our feelings? Chopped liver to you?

Dude, I write trans!character fic. And there is good trans!character fic out there. But there's also a lot of creepy, fetishistic crap too. It's fandom--why the heck would that be a surprise? How common is actual informed, nuanced, non-fetishy fic of any kind?

I'll be honest, I don't even know what "FFA" is. Fanfics Anonymous?

Fail-fandomanon. An anonmeme with basically no named users/regulars, and much more active than this one (or was last time I checked). There has been a lot of discussions of the ethics and implications of ABO there, a lot of them very interesting and informative.

[(Anonymous)]

"Dude, I write trans!character fic. And there is good trans!character fic out there. But there's also a lot of creepy, fetishistic crap too. It's fandom--why the heck would that be a surprise? How common is actual informed, nuanced, non-fetishy fic of any kind?"

Yeah, there is creepy fetishistic crap out there, but in my experience (and I've devoured a whole lot of trans fic, to the point where I check out fandoms solely for what they have on tap in that department, because like I said, hey, it's nice for me to read fics where my body type is treated as sexy for a change) it's definitely not the majority, and a whole lot of the "discussion" on here veered rapidly into transphobic territory where it was more important that the majesty of cis penis rubbing against cis penis is upheld and trans men's bodies get called "female genitalia" and that a trans man having sex with a cis man is "heterosexual sex". Do you seriously call that constructive criticism?

I absolutely have critiques. The binder obsession is annoying as hell, but I also see equally as many fics/fanart where a guy is post top surgery, and the vast majority of characters that have binders that I've seen are high school aged guys (it's big in some sports anime fandoms) so while some people fetishize it, there's also a lot of legitmate fics where binders would be realistic. Another thing is I've run into a very small minority of fics where there's a lot of emphasis placed on a trans guy's "feminine" features in a way I felt was harping or fetishistic.

But the vast majority of fic? Doesn't do this. And again, I'm not saying "omg all trans fics are perf how dare u", what I'm arguing against is the climate with which it's discussed on here. Every time there is a trans secret I've noticed that this community is very noticeably anti-trans fic, and a lot of people admit it's because they don't like it, because it doesn't make them hot in the pants, it has nothing to do with the fetishization of trans people and whether or not the fics do it.

"Fail-fandomanon. An anonmeme with basically no named users/regulars, and much more active than this one (or was last time I checked). There has been a lot of discussions of the ethics and implications of ABO there, a lot of them very interesting and informative. "

Again, I'm very much against "kinkshaming" in general, and to be honest giving a quick glance through those "anti" tags you linked me to doesn't exactly change my opinion, it's basically a whole lot of "if you like this kink you're a horrible person" poo flinging. (Like 5 posts down is the headline "kinky het men can go to hell", like come on.) But I'm actually kind of curious what the points brought up about ABO were. I'm absolutely interested in having rational discussions about things, and I have my own beef with some ABO fics (in fact I'm in the middle of writing a fic where the omega tops sometimes simply because I've never seen it, and within the ABO world it's an interesting dynamic to explore, where one's "biology" urges you to either dominate or submit sexually, and what happens when a couple wants to switch it up), but like I stated above, I do not believe this community is the right place to have a measured conversation about trans fiction. It's a whole lot of cis people going "omg I know, those terrible trans fics!" and saying some really gross things about trans bodies. That's not measured critiques, that's gleefully degrading real trans people and saying a whole lot about how they view trans men.