[ SECRET POST #3474 ]

[case]

⌈ Secret Post #3474 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.
[Hide and Seek by Imogen Heap]



__________________________________________________



02. http://i.imgur.com/8Lfgcp8.jpg
[A Game of Thrones, Tyene Sand; link because OP warned for nudity]


__________________________________________________



03.
[Independence Day]


__________________________________________________



04.
[Queen at Arms]


__________________________________________________



05. [repeat]


__________________________________________________





















06. [WARNING for underage/shota]

[Boku no Pico]


__________________________________________________



07. [SPOILERS for Game of Thrones]



__________________________________________________



08. [WARNING for incest]
[WARNING for rape]



__________________________________________________



09. [WARNING for gore, torture]
















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #496.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2- too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

09. [WARNING for gore, torture]
http://i.imgur.com/eyh0VeE.png

[kallanda_lee]

I think often our favorite characters or media trigger what is already in us.

[(Anonymous)]

Came here to say this.

[blitzwing]

Hell is hardly mentioned in the Bible and many Christians and Jews don't believe in it. I don't think you asked enough questions if you didn't learn that...

[(Anonymous)]

I'm an agnostic who's reconsidering Christianity, but the concept of Hell is a big stumbling block for me. I know that some denominations consider it mostly metaphorical, but the story of Lazarus seems to strongly imply some kind of torment (even if it's not necessarily fire and pitchforks).

How do those who call themselves Christians but don't believe in a literal Hell interpret this?

I know some go for the more CS Lewis route, in which Hell doesn't involve physical (physical-spiritual?) torment, but psychological torment doesn't seem that much better.

The thing is, I can't really justify eternal torture on any level. Unless the torture has some kind of positive effect—like undoing the evil that was done—it strikes me as purposeless and cruel.

Now, I understand that many Christians say it's not so much God sending you to Hell as it is you sending yourself there. You essentially choose to follow your will instead of God's, but because you're a sinner by nature, you'll end up in Hell. But it still says that God allows eternal torment.

Annihilationism always seemed like the fairest solution. There, if you don't believe, or are an unredeemed sinner, you just die. My understanding is that this is a minority opinion.

Sorry for the long rant. It's been on my mind lately.

[sarillia]

A common liberal Christian interpretation is that Hell is a state of being separated from God.

[(Anonymous)]

"Just dying" isn't just dying. Matter is matter. I'm an atheist, but I believe in "dust to dust". When I die, my soul will be gone, but my matter will be star dust once again and new beings will be born with bits of me in them. I find that very satisfying and beautiful, if not spiritual in a traditional superstitious way.

[(Anonymous)]

Back when I was a Christian, I was an Annihilationist. Episcopalians (at least the the ones at the church I grew up in) weren't much for an actual, literal hell. Our Priest often said to "take the Bible seriously, but not literally."

I can't really endorse any particular religion as true, because I think they're all made-up. But if you're looking for a fairly liberal, accepting denomination, you could do a lot worse than the Episcopalians. As Robin Williams said, "All of the pagentry, none of the guilt."

[(Anonymous)]

RIGHT?! I mean, I've got nothing against abandoning faith, but this has to be one of the dumbest, most ill-informed reasons I've ever seen.

[(Anonymous)]

Bit OT, but the fact that people within the same religion can have diametrically opposed views about the most fundamental aspects of their cosmology is the reason I can't believe in any of them.

[(Anonymous)]

Jews don't, but I haven't seen any Christians who don't.

[diet_poison]

I'm a Christian for full disclosure, so I don't have the same overall POV, but I would guess OP did discover that? It read to me like that first doubt led to questioning that led to rejection and that can happen even if they find a justification for that initial doubt along the way.0

[(Anonymous)]

It sounds like part of their reaction, though, was to the fact that they themselves had been willing to accept eternal torment as just. So their questioning wasn't just about the tenets of their religion, it was self-examination as well.

[sarillia]

I don't see anything wrong with that. I never know what's going to catch my brain's attention and get me thinking about things.

[(Anonymous)]

evangelical Christianity is a gibberish philosophy due to it's take on sin and hell. Your objections are shared by many other religions.

[herpymcderp]

I have a few friends like you, OP.

I was raised atheist so I can never understand what it's like, but the common thread always seems to be along the lines of, "As soon as I started questioning, it was over."

tl;dr you're probably right

[feotakahari]

My father says the wheat will be separated from the chaff, and the chaff will be thrown into the fire. He adds that if the wheat and the chaff are metaphorical, maybe the fire's a metaphor, too.

Honestly, I'm not sure that's good enough. People aren't wheat or chaff, no matter what they've done. Some people can't be helped, or don't want to be helped, but I think an omnipotent God could do more for them than simply judge them.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow. As (another) ateist, I'm a bit shaky on this, but wasn't part of Jesus message that you should hate the sin, but forgive the sinner: aka there's nuances to consider? Turn the other cheek, etc.?

[(Anonymous)]

An all-good, all-powerful god could create people who wouldn't do the things that said god would judge worthy of hell.

(Even when I was a Christian, I found people who believed in a literal hell [to steal a term from the secret's canon] eekish. I had a classmate once who would talk in positively salacious terms about what would happen to me "when" I got to hell.)

[(Anonymous)]

I ended up an atheist in a similar way; what got me thinking was different, because my version of Christianity didn't believe in hell, but yeah, once I started questioning, once those threads started unraveling, it was pretty much inevitable.

[kribban]

The possibility you forgot about was this one: God exists and is cruel.

Yes, it's wrong to send people to hell, but that doesn't mean it won't/can't happen.

[(Anonymous)]

But would that kind of God deserve worship, though?

[(Anonymous)]

But part of (at least Christianity's) pitch is the whole "god of love" thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah. I was raised in a half-strict religious household (I say half-strict because my father wasn't big in it, but my mother was) and looking back on it, there were so many things that now just doesn't make much sense. The more you learn, the more you kinda go "... why?"

So I'm an apatheist now. People can believe or not believe in whatever they want, I'm not interested in any of it. Much more important things going on in my life than spending much time going on about all of that.

[(Anonymous)]

This is probably so late that you won't see it, but: if you're ever interested in building your faith again, I'd recommend Mormonism. They're Christian but don't believe in a traditional hell--they believe that basically everyone ends up fulfilled and happy. Sure, they believe some weird stuff too, but their concept of the afterlife is pretty sunny.