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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2008-04-04 05:42 pm

[ SECRET POST #455 ]


⌈ Secret Post #455 ⌋

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Re: 8, 34, 46

[identity profile] mikkeneko.livejournal.com 2008-04-05 05:44 pm (UTC)(link)
I can agree with you, but at the same time, I often see people vehemently insisting that something is not there which is patently there, simply because they don't want to have to deal with it, mentally. They like it, ergo it's not sexist, because surely only bad things can be racist/sexist etc, and things I like aren't bad!

No, they don't have to boycott the show or start a letter writing campaign, but awareness is considered important for a reason. It's important for people to be able to recognize what's there, even in things they have positive feelings for. If you can't acknowledge racism/sexism whatever in your entertainment, what will you do when it turns up in the attitudes of your friends? Your family? Yourself?

Re: 8, 34, 46

[identity profile] velvet-mace.livejournal.com 2008-04-05 07:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, well that's where I draw the RL/fantasy line. I enjoy tons of things in fantasy that really bother me in reality. We deal with the stuff in reality because we need to, and we can. It's not okay to be sexist in the work place.

It's fine to have a sexist fantasy. There I said it. It's fine. If it goes too far it will turn off enough of it's audience that it will become unpopular and fall into obscurity. But there really doesn't need to be self-appointed morality police. The problem is that when we start cracking way down on perceived injustices in fantasy there's often a chilling effect, and we have writers overcompensating trying to be PC, and in the end we get something that feels like it's pandering.

Now I don't mind the occasional nod that a sexual or racial stereotype is being used, but the problem is that conversations like these usually aren't done as a nod, they are done as as a OMG SOMETHING MUST BE DONE ABOUT THIS HOW DARE THEY. And honestly? I can fully see people refusing to see it just because they don't want to taint the show they are watching and enjoying with guilt.

Re: 8, 34, 46

[identity profile] mikkeneko.livejournal.com 2008-04-06 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I can see that. Things like that really can spoil your enjoyment of a show, and it's hard to be objective and steady-headed about things you have a great affection towards. (By objective in this case I mean admitting that while it has some flaws, that's not something you need to flip out over.)