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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2016-07-27 06:34 pm

[ SECRET POST #3493 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3493 ⌋

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Re: Tumblr

(Anonymous) 2016-07-28 12:53 am (UTC)(link)
It is not the responsibility of users to make a website profitable.
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Re: Tumblr

[personal profile] dancing_clown 2016-07-28 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
Don't cut yourself on that edge, now.

Re: Tumblr

(Anonymous) 2016-07-28 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, what's edgy about it, huh? I'm saying a capitalist enterprise is a capitalist enterprise
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Re: Tumblr

[personal profile] dancing_clown 2016-07-28 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
You're reducing capitalism down to a standard that ignores reality. "It's not the consumers responsibility to make business profitable" is disingenous. Sure, it's a great soundbite, but ultimately the business is responsible for putting money-making measures into effect, but the consumer has a degree of culpability when they flout those measures. And that's what this is. This isn't "Tumblr makes a product no one wants, so they fail at business."
Edited 2016-07-28 01:15 (UTC)

Re: Tumblr

(Anonymous) 2016-07-28 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
If you make a product that you cannot monetize, that's also a business failure, just as much as if it's a product that no one wants. Exactly the same. Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely the same. It's not enough to say that you put a money-making measure into effect but the customer flouted it. If the money-making measure didn't work, it didn't work. It was a bad fucking money-making measure.

If you want to ask your customers to turn off Adblock, that's fine. Same thing as hanging out a donations page. I might even do it if I like your business enough. But if it doesn't work - especially if you're a massive capitalist entity like Tumblr - I have no sympathy for you. Figure something out. That is in the most literal sense your job.
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Re: Tumblr

[personal profile] dancing_clown 2016-07-28 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
Okay then. Whatever you say, boss.
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Re: Tumblr

[personal profile] diet_poison 2016-07-28 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
Dude, the radio works the same way, but you can't adblock the radio.

I do agree that it's disingenuous to complain about your site dying but then refuse to turn off adblocker (unless it's actively slowing down your comp or something). It's not like you have to pay for it to be on.

By your logic companies that run sites like tumblr should either charge for their product or not exist. That may be true in a purely capitalistic sense, but 1. I'm not a fan of pure capitalism for various reasons, so I'm not approaching it from that angle and 2. I don't want to live in a world where social media sites aren't free

Re: Tumblr

(Anonymous) 2016-07-28 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
Don't bother. AYRT is the type who thinks that shoplifting doesn't hurt anyone and restaurants should just expect people to dine and dash.

Re: Tumblr

(Anonymous) 2016-07-28 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
That's not what I'm saying at all. Paying for shit in restaurants is a model that works, in that most people are willing to do it, and you can do pretty easy things to limit the opportunities for the ones that aren't. The better analogy is if you have a restaurant that chronically undercharges for its food or something. The funding model demonstrably does not work in the world as it actually exists. It's not a moral argument at all.

Re: Tumblr

(Anonymous) 2016-07-28 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
The moral responsibility of an individual user is, to me, totally divorced from the question of how the business can find a successful business model and whose responsibility that is.

Re: Tumblr

(Anonymous) 2016-07-28 12:59 am (UTC)(link)
It is if they want it to continue to exist. Especially when the users are actively preventing the site from making a profit.

Re: Tumblr

(Anonymous) 2016-07-28 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
they aren't preventing the site from making a profit. Tumblr hasn't figured out how to satisfactorily solve the problem of monetizing their site. that's solely their responsibility to solve. it's not surprising that they can't solve it, it's a really hard problem. but, you know, life's tough.

Re: Tumblr

(Anonymous) 2016-07-28 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
They are. but you are a troll. So carry on.

Re: Tumblr

(Anonymous) 2016-07-28 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
I'm being more brusque with my language than is probably warranted, but I'm also pretty sure I'm right on this one.

Like, these are extremely well-known facts about online audiences. Figuring out how to monetize things like Tumblr is a huge industry-wide challenge. You can't just throw up your hands and say it's the user's fault for not behaving like you want them to.