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I am so sick of Tumblr whining about how the website is going to be shut down because it isn't profitable.

But then they immediately whine about ads. And turn them off or get an addon to block them.

If you want your website to survive, it needs to make money.

It is not the responsibility of users to make a website profitable.

Don't cut yourself on that edge, now.

Ah, what's edgy about it, huh? I'm saying a capitalist enterprise is a capitalist enterprise

You're reducing capitalism down to a standard that ignores reality. "It's not the consumers responsibility to make business profitable" is disingenous. Sure, it's a great soundbite, but ultimately the business is responsible for putting money-making measures into effect, but the consumer has a degree of culpability when they flout those measures. And that's what this is. This isn't "Tumblr makes a product no one wants, so they fail at business."

Edited 2016-07-28 01:15 (UTC)

If you make a product that you cannot monetize, that's also a business failure, just as much as if it's a product that no one wants. Exactly the same. Absolutely, absolutely, absolutely the same. It's not enough to say that you put a money-making measure into effect but the customer flouted it. If the money-making measure didn't work, it didn't work. It was a bad fucking money-making measure.

If you want to ask your customers to turn off Adblock, that's fine. Same thing as hanging out a donations page. I might even do it if I like your business enough. But if it doesn't work - especially if you're a massive capitalist entity like Tumblr - I have no sympathy for you. Figure something out. That is in the most literal sense your job.

Okay then. Whatever you say, boss.

Dude, the radio works the same way, but you can't adblock the radio.

I do agree that it's disingenuous to complain about your site dying but then refuse to turn off adblocker (unless it's actively slowing down your comp or something). It's not like you have to pay for it to be on.

By your logic companies that run sites like tumblr should either charge for their product or not exist. That may be true in a purely capitalistic sense, but 1. I'm not a fan of pure capitalism for various reasons, so I'm not approaching it from that angle and 2. I don't want to live in a world where social media sites aren't free

Don't bother. AYRT is the type who thinks that shoplifting doesn't hurt anyone and restaurants should just expect people to dine and dash.

That's not what I'm saying at all. Paying for shit in restaurants is a model that works, in that most people are willing to do it, and you can do pretty easy things to limit the opportunities for the ones that aren't. The better analogy is if you have a restaurant that chronically undercharges for its food or something. The funding model demonstrably does not work in the world as it actually exists. It's not a moral argument at all.

The moral responsibility of an individual user is, to me, totally divorced from the question of how the business can find a successful business model and whose responsibility that is.

It is if they want it to continue to exist. Especially when the users are actively preventing the site from making a profit.

they aren't preventing the site from making a profit. Tumblr hasn't figured out how to satisfactorily solve the problem of monetizing their site. that's solely their responsibility to solve. it's not surprising that they can't solve it, it's a really hard problem. but, you know, life's tough.

They are. but you are a troll. So carry on.

I'm being more brusque with my language than is probably warranted, but I'm also pretty sure I'm right on this one.

Like, these are extremely well-known facts about online audiences. Figuring out how to monetize things like Tumblr is a huge industry-wide challenge. You can't just throw up your hands and say it's the user's fault for not behaving like you want them to.

The ads wouldn't be so bad if they weren't so invasive. Also that bullshit auto-play on video ads was a tipping point for some people.

This so much. If sites didn't use invasive ads and ads that put things on my computer, I wouldn't use adblock. Sorry, but your website's profit isn't worth viruses or spyware or flashing or video ads that are distracting.

Yeah this. Deviantart gives me the old "please turn off your adblocker" thing lately and all I can think is "I'll turn it off once the reports of your ads giving people viruses die down".

I've been complaining about the audio ads for a while now.

"What are you writing, F!S?"
Well, I've been writing about how bad the ads are, and how I gave up and installed Anti-Capitalism.

I cannot do autoplay. I won't support a site that uses autoplay ads. I will either use it with adblocker or not use it at all.

Sidebar ads are fine.

(I don't think this contradicts the "turn off adblocker if you don't want your site to die" stance - ultimately if it comes down to dealing with autoplay or not using the site I'll pick the latter, so if it does, so be it)

There are good ways and bad ways to do ad revenue. metafilter does a great job with unobtrusive ads that get screened for bad content.

On the other hand, I think the Wall Street Journal last year was shipping malware through their third-party ad network. I don't trust yahoo in general or the tumblr team to do it right given how much they've pushed autoplay.

Tumblr might get another problem in that the lack of accountability and the ability to make anonymous sideblogs is already toxic in some areas. It's like twitter in that area.

Ugh, yeah, I actually originally installed stuff to stop auto-play on EVERYTHING, because it was CRIPPLING the computer I was using at the time. (I mean, tumblr was a bear for it to load at the best of times, it being a nine-year-old laptop and all, but once the auto-play started going, it would just CRASH.)

But then, I'm actively looking for a place to go to instead of tumblr. The unstoppable, unfindable, LOUD auto-playing audio ads were too much. I wasn't a fan of the site when I joined around 2010, and my complaints about the UI have only gotten worse over time. One of my pals has been really vouching for Imzy; can anyone else recommend a site? I'm too long-winded for Twitter, and Facebook is just so invasive that it gives me the screaming meemies.

Man, I install that stuff from the get go. A lot of it has to do with the fact that I am married to an It person and he instilled in me a sense of "don't trust shit on the internet."

But that auto-play crap just had me annoyed (i'm bothered by it in an anxiety kind of way, i just found it ridiculously annoying. especially if i'm watching and/or playing something).

If you want me to give you some kind of revenue, Yahoo? Make those fucking ads far less intrusive and safe guard them so that viruses and adware don't get on my computer. B/

Yeah, I HATE auto-play. Slows my computer to a crawl. Like, of all the ads on earth, I hate them the most, because of how they bog down my computer. Image and text ads, I can live with. But GOD do I hate video or audio ads!

Lol, I meant to say I'm NOT bothered by it in an anxiety kind of eay...XD;;

But yeah. My browser slows down, adds cookies and shit that makes it slow to boot up (and i invest in good computers that me and husband slowly upgrade), so yeah. Those fucking ads can shove it. Grrr.

Tumblr Will end up going the route of LJ. Free LJ ended up like that before fandom finally migrated...

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