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A lot of his supporters seem to be knee-deep in cognitive dissonance, so I have a feeling they'd explain all of his failures away -- anything he did wrong would somehow be the Democrats' or liberal media's fault.

I get you, though, because there's a part of me that wants something akin to the morning after Brexit, where a bunch of voters wake up and are like, "...holy shit, what did I just do?" And that's all id.

At the end of the day, I don't want him anywhere near the presidency, and he's already gotten way too close for comfort.

he's already gotten way too close for comfort.

It will forever boggle my mind how people in this country didn't automatically see his running for president as the joke it was supposed to be back when the 2016 election stuff started, and actually allowed him to get this far instead. That's going to be a fun thing to explain to future generations :/.

Fuck Jeb Bush forever, fuck John Weaver, fuck Chris Christie's corrupt ass, fuck all of them.

Well, we have the GOP's fearmongering strategy re: social issues over the past several decades to thank for that. They did it because it benefited them to scare ignorant white people so they wouldn't vote for liberal pinko bleeding hearts, and it's backfired on them big time.

They made this shit-covered bed, and now we might all have to lie in it.

Sad, but true.

You know, I actually think the problem is that too many people saw it as a joke. He wasn't taken seriously, so he was allowed to advance.

People keep saying that he says what they want to say but can't. One of my friends made the very astute observation the other day that he talks in the language of a certain sort of voter, and because of that, he resonates with them, even though everything that comes out of his mouth is bullshit. They perceive others as talking down to them. To them, the tone is more important than the content, and the people who could have stopped him didn't see that; they mistakenly believed that content would win out.

He shouldn't have been dismissed a year ago, but he was. So, here we are.

Oh, absolutely agreed that he knows how to speak to certain types of voters. As irritating as I find the "he tells it like it is" reasoning I hear from Trump supporters (since, as you note, everything he's saying is batshit insane/a lie), unfortunately your explanation for why that appeals to people makes sense.

I think it's kind of funny that his supporters feel like they "can't" say that stuff they want to say, though. I know they mean they feel they can't say this stuff in the sense that if they do they'll get yelled at (which should clue anyone with any sort of common sense in as to WHY that might be the case, but...), but I know plenty of people who think like he does who still have no problem spouting off at family get-togethers or in their workplaces or on Facebook or whatever. So it seems odd that they still feel like they're somehow being held back from saying what's on their minds.

As for the "tone versus content" thing, I won't argue that some people do have a tendency to come off sounding like know-it-alls/condescending, and I do understand how that can be off-putting and take away from the importance of the message.

At the same time, I also understand why it's so hard for some people NOT to react that way after they see/hear people continue to believe things that are so blatantly not true. I honestly don't know what would be the best way for the left to try and clear up misconceptions and misinformation that gets spread out there in a way that would make people actually listen and believe them.

And sometimes I don't think it even matters HOW somebody explains or clarifies something to somebody. Facts clearly don't seem to matter to some people no matter what, for whatever reason.

So it seems odd that they still feel like they're somehow being held back from saying what's on their minds.

Some of it, I think, is pure discomfort with the fact of being called out. I get annoyed with a lot of the people who decry political correctness because much of PC is basically etiquette. There's always been etiquette, because the fact of being social means that you have to come up with rules to get along, and etiquette has always dictated what is and is not polite to say. They rail against it like it's new, but it's not; it's just that they're in breech of it, and they don't want to accept that, and contrary to what they think, there isn't actually any powerful social pressure for them to fall in line. If there was, they'd...fall in line.

At the same time, I also understand why it's so hard for some people NOT to react that way after they see/hear people continue to believe things that are so blatantly not true. I honestly don't know what would be the best way for the left to try and clear up misconceptions and misinformation that gets spread out there in a way that would make people actually listen and believe them.

I get that too. And it's hard.

The best way I've found is by asking a lot of questions and by keeping things light. It doesn't always work, but I've had conversations with people with whom I strongly disagree where they've been like, "thank you for not judging me, I'll think about what you said." Maybe they haven't thought about it afterwards, but if they have? Hey, that's a victory.

I like your take on the ~~PC~~ phenomenon. I basically see it as people flaunting their right to be openly bigoted but I think your observations make a lot of sense also.

Jesus Fucking Christ.

People rail about PC culture because morons take it too far. The majority of people are nice and value etiquette and aren't looking for an excuse to use blatant racial slurs or the like. But do you not see how it's come to the point, thanks to identity politics, where people are so OUTRAGED!!!! over the slightest perceived insult, whether intentional or not, that the general public lives in fear of accidentally saying the wrong thing and being socially ostracized for it? There has to be a balance between etiquette and having the personal dignity to brush off minor perceived slights. Stop ignoring and making excuses for the radicals and special snowflakes who give this "etiquette" a bad name by making the rules nearly impossible to follow, even for the most well-meaning person. Jesus.

Examples, please, and since this is now so common, I think 3 examples would be a generously low number to request. Actual incidents of people being ostracized from actual society, not just ostracized on Tumblr. With citations. Thanks!

I don't agree with AYRT, but I actually have three real-life examples of this happening. I think what's important to keep in mind is that they've all happened on college campuses:

-a Yale professor wrote a piece last fall arguing that students are smart enough to be able to police themselves when it comes to offensive Halloween costumes. The students had asked for there to be a campus-wide rule prohibiting certain costumes; she believed that it would be more valuable for students to approach one another about offensive costumes and have conversations about them, and that it would be patronizing for the school to step in. The students reacted to her piece by forcing both her and her husband to resign from their positions.
-Mount Holyoke College has banned 'The Vagina Monologues' because it excludes women who don't have vaginas (the supreme irony of this is that one of the monologues involves transwomen).
-At UMass Amherst, a long-time radio DJ was pushed out by student radio staff because, during a conversation about rape culture, he pointed out that there will always be people who deny that rape culture exists. The students filed a petition against him, saying that his comments constituted harassment and discrimination (in this case, I would add that there had already been conflict between him and the new crop of students, so they might have just latched onto that as an excuse to get him out).

So, it does happen. I think it's on a much smaller scale than people make it out to be, however, and that in the wider culture, people are reacting against changing norms rather than against actual attacks.

Edited 2016-07-30 22:33 (UTC)

I agree that there are people who take it too far. They seem, however, to be mainly online and on college campuses. Students have some degree of power where they go to school, and I do definitely think you're right that, in some places, they've been stifling discourse and harming dissenters (Yale last fall comes to mind). But what I've seen in the wider culture is a backlash against changing norms.

For example, my father is...unfortunately kind of racist. He wants to be able to call black people niggers, and he rails against "political correctness" for making it inappropriate for him to do so. That's the context in which I usually see complaints about PC culture: someone uses a slur, or says something bigoted, and the response is, "hey, that's not nice," and they get upset. To me, that's not really all that different from what you're talking about, in the sense that we're referencing people who can't handle being challenged.

Beyond that, I was also drawing on my observations of people who use the argument, "there was a time when we could say whatever we wanted!" Well, no; there never was. There have always been rules.

I think treating it like a joke was the problem. If they had taken it seriously and organized their efforts to stop him then it probably would have turned out differently.

Good point, yeah. The media had a lot of fun mocking him, but unfortunately that obscured any actual examples of his lies and crazy policies they tried to put out there, too, and it was just another "look at the liberals picking on the conservatives" thing (which is kinda funny, considering how the right claims to hate the whole "persecuted victim" attitude, but whatever).

There's also the fact that a lot of the people ranting about him essentially were preaching to the choir, but I feel that even if they had tried to explain why Trump was a bad idea in a less partisan setting, his ardent supporters still wouldn't care. They just see any critique as automatic "liberal bias" and tune it out, and that's part of the problem as well.

There were Democrats who thought crossing party lines to get Trump nominated would ensure a Democratic victory.

Yeah, I think I was thinking of some kind of Brexit moment, but of course, it wouldn't be actually worth it to have that blowhard con man get actually elected. And like with Brexit, I'm sure the people who actually fucked it up will get away with it and everyone else will suffer for it.

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I love how your name is JUST a_potato. :)

Oh, uh, thanks anon! :D

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