[ SECRET POST #3503 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3503 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, we were definitely the more wanky side. Not just because we didn't "win", but because Bryan and Mike was really juvenile about it and the responses were just as immature. (My god, we got Dante Basco to say he'd voice Zuko if we animated an alternate ending.) I was one of those Zutarans who didn't care if it became canon, so I didn't go to war against the good ship Kataang. The Kataangers seemed to be a younger crowd and hung out on certain message boards rather than LJ.

From the stories that have come out over the years, Bryke were really the only ones millitantly opposed to Zutara in the show's crew.

It's hard to gage because there was a big time gap between ATLA and LOK, less people watched LOK, etc., but there were also a significant portion of Zutarans who didn't see Makorra as Zutara 2.0 and didn't ship it. Makorra just never seemed to reach juggernaut status. (Full disclosure: I shipped Borra for five episodes before it was torpedoed, then switched to Korrasami. It was weird to finally "win" and feel the bittersweet emotion that I've heard some Kataangers express over the years: my ship is canon, but I wish it had been done better.)

Man, this has made me kinda nostalgic. OP, do you have a link to a writeup of this? I'd love to read it.

[(Anonymous)]

OP

Isn't Bryke like...the creators for this show? Dante Basco may have voiced the dude but he had no part in the character creation so ultimately his opinion doesn't really mean much? If I listened to the voice actors from some of my favourite shows...man those shows would be much more interesting, both bad and good. (More than one voice actor has tacitly stated that certain male/male and female/female pairings were played 'as if they were in love with X character', even though the creators of the show either deny the homo subtext, or just stay mum on it.)

I mean, I do think the whole thing is hilariously wanky, they definitely one-upped themselves (that fan video is...something else), but after reading a bunch of comments from Zutara shippers in the wild, I have to say...

I kind of see why they were so juvenile and angry about it. I'm not really into either ship, I think Kataang could have been cute if there was better build-up for it, and I'll be honest Zutara feels like the same wishy-washy DEPRESSED EMO BOY JUST NEEDS LOVING GIRLFRIEND TO ~FIX~ HIM crap that I've seen in every other het ship that involves a whiny brat of a male character.

And I'm sure there are really cool Zutara shippers out there. I've seen some gorgeous fanart and even saved it. But some "BNF" types and the general Zutara fan is just....wow. One popular "why Zutara is the best ship" manifestos literally had the line "Zuko deserves something nice after his hard redemption" (paraphrased, but basically exactly that), and of course that "something nice" is Katara herself. And everybody was enthusiastically agreeing with Katara basically being a chattel "first prize" for Zuko and just, whoah. No.

I'm also not saying there aren't immature Kataangers. There definitely are. From my vantage point as someone who didn't really have a dog in this fight though, they're a more....benign kind of immature.

There really isn't a writeup though, sorry anon! It's honestly just me going through the fandom.

[insanenoodlyguy]

Keep in mind to that he's shown many times he has no problems mixing it up with the fans. Hell, he stared in a homestuck fan video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUrqgEFDvM4

I mean, it's not like it'd take a lot for a guy like that to say "yes, if you animate an ending that gives my character all the love, hell yeah I want in!", and interpreting it as more then that was really people clinging to something silly. But some people just don't understand that fanon is in your head and nothing more.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

When the showrunner of my favorite CW show scolds fans for being obsessed with shipping, that's fine. He's talking to adults, teenagers at the youngest. Adults may have gravitated to ATLA, but the show was on Nickelodeon which at the time was #1 in the 2-11 demographic. I don't think Bryke mocking their fans like that was appropriate at all. Especially since they used fanart to make fun of them.

The fandom was pretty segmented by site. I'm guessing you browsed Deviantart?

[(Anonymous)]

Be honest, the 2-11 bracket wasn't the source of hardcore Kataang and Zutara shippers. That was all teenagers or older. It's fine to call out Bryke for trolling their fanbase, because that was mean. But lets not pretend that they decided to side against a bunch of seven-year-olds in a shipping war. For starters, the seven-year-olds all knew that Kataang was endgame. AtLA wasn't subtle.

[(Anonymous)]

Not hardcore shippers, no. But you never shipped anything as a preteen? I definitely did. And one of my ships from that age that I still ship to this day didn't become canon. I can't imagine how hurt preteen me would have felt if the creator for that had used fanart to mock my preferred ship and then said "Thanks for most of the fanart through the years."

[(Anonymous)]

Not in the fandom-accepted "my ship is my life" sense that would have been crushed if a creator gently teased about it, no. If 10-year-old you would have been destroyed by a video pointing out that Zurara would never happen, then 10-year-old you needed to take a step back. I liked Danny/Valerie better than Danny/Sam, but I knew damn well it wasn't going to happen. Having that pointed out in a public setting is less offensive than you think to people who have some sense of perspective about shipping cartoon characters.

[insanenoodlyguy]

It was so much fun when Bryke actually started actively trolling. In those days they were our Heroes of the internet, those magnificent bastards.

[otakugal15]

Man, I am STILL salty that Borra didn't go anywhere. They meshed far FAR better than Makorra ever did. And I even dare say far better than Korrasami. But then again, I can't watch that ending and definitively say that they are pair. It was way to ambiguous for that.

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty much this. I watched the drama unfold, but felt a lot of sympathy toward the Zutarians. And I enjoyed their fanworks too. I didn't see anything wrong with their ship and thought it was unprofessional of the Bryke team to make lame jokes about them. Just because they are the creators doesn't mean that fans have to approve or like every single thing they do. Fanwork is fanwork, why not leave things be?