[ SECRET POST #3510 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3510 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Stephen King]


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[John Green]


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[American Gods]


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[Charlie Hunnam in King Arthur: Legend of the Sword]


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[Penn & Teller: Fool Us]


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[Steven Universe]


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[Questionable Content]


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[Ghostbusters 2016]











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Comments

Re: queerbaiting?

[(Anonymous)]

What is the difference between a close platonic friendship and queerbaiting?

Generally: queerbaiting will include elements that are strongly coded as gay or queer, or otherwise imply queerness, while explicitly denying it.

It is extremely overused as a concept.

NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

strongly coded as gay or queer, or otherwise imply queerness

See, I don't understand what that means or what would include? And I am queer.

For one thing, people are constantly pointing out "obvious subtext" between characters but when I look at it, it's nothing different than what I do with some of my platonic friends.

Re: NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of people use the term incorrectly and point it at things where it's not actually relevant.

I'm not sure I'm really capable of getting into how something is coded as queer at the moment but, like. There are narratives and aesthetics that are strongly associated - including internally - with queerness for historical and cultural reasons. Consciously invoking them (and obviously it's a judgment call if it's conscious or not) sort of necessarily associates the two ideas.

It's not the same as saying whether something is romantic or not. It's not proof that two characters are romantically involved. That's really not how the thing operates. Like I say, we're operating on the level of associated ideas and narratives here. It's not a question of whether the action or theme is intrinsically queer, it's a question of its relationship to the domain of queerness. So, like, it's something on the level of story, not on the level of relationships between two people.

IDK there's probably been about a million words written on the Internet about how this shit works.

Re: queerbaiting?

[(Anonymous)]

here's an example out of the book I'm reading right now:

-the female protagonist is at a masked ball in the 20s. the narrator foreshadows that this will be a fateful night, that she is about to meet someone who will make the course of her life harder, but worth it in a bittersweet way.

-she trips and falls into the arms of a person. this person has a name that could either identify them as female or male. I'm expecting a male lover at this point, because she has a husband.

-it turns out to be a women. she is described with a level of detail that was only used for plot relevant beauty (her sister) and for the introduction of her husband. the women is crossdressing and part of progressive women rights group. the narrator compares her to Marlene Dietrich, an actual bisexual women.

-but no! they're only FRIENDS. and the narrator repeats this term over the next few pages, because the author knew what kind of expectation they were creating.

at this point I put the book down. it was such a blatant bait and switch moment that it was kind of staggering.

Re: queerbaiting?

[(Anonymous)]

The fact that the narrator has a husband wasn't relevant then?

Re: queerbaiting?

[(Anonymous)]

How would it be relevant?

Both bisexuality, and fiction about non-monogamous relationships, exist.

Re: queerbaiting?

[(Anonymous)]

Bisexuality? Exist in fiction? Come on, we all know better than that. And unless a main character's gay affair is going to be the central plot of the book, them having an opposite sex spouse is a tell from the beginning that they're straight, end of story.

Re: queerbaiting?

[(Anonymous)]

DA

So if I were writing a story about a protagonist who, having up until that point only been with the opposite sex, discovers their bisexuality through a same sex romantic encounter, I would be misleading the readers because I would have already established my character as 'straight' from the start? How else would these stories go?

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

I'd be surprised if they made up in a romantic way. at this point in the story she sees her husband for only 3 weeks every year.

plus the whole failure of their marriage was set up in a way that makes her extremely sympathethic, even if it isn't his fault.

everything points to her meeting /someone/ to cheat with. the narrator is not the protagonist btw, but her pseudo omnipresent granddaughter looking back.