[ SECRET POST #3516 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3516 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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The entire rest of this post is either spoilers or have content warnings.





02. [SPOILERS for Over the Hills and Far Away]



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03. [SPOILERS for Pokemon Sun and Moon]



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04. [SPOILERS for Inside]



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05. [SPOILERS for The Girl With All The Gifts]



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06. [SPOILERS for Steven Universe]
[WARNING for suicide]



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07. [WARNING for non-con]



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08. [WARNING for incest]




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09. [WARNING for suicide]












Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #502.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't seen any of the movies mentioned, so this comment is outside the context of those, FYI.

I think there is a HUGE difference between portraying suicide as noble so as not to be a burden to 'able bodied' friends and family, and suicide that's made on the personal decision of end of life care.

There are people (not necessarily disabled), but people with terminal illnesses--mental AND physical--people who live every day with pain and suffering who should be able to make the informed choice BY and FOR themselves if they want to continue their lives. Not because they think they're a burden on someone else (regardless of the fact that they may think they are or are not), but because they have no quality of life and no expected improvement in quality of life.

I don't think anyone has the right to say to someone, "You are suffering every minute of every day and there is no chance this will ever stop, and likely will continue to get worse, but you cannot make the decision to end your life because it will cause suffering for others."

Someone else's potential suffering does NOT trump someone's current suffering.

[(Anonymous)]

Word!

[(Anonymous)]

Mental illness is never inherently terminal.

I agree with you about physical illness, but absolutely not mental illness - as someone who was once suicidal as a result of mental illness.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd agree with the fact that it's not terminal in the sense that it's going to directly kill you, but I also disagree with the fact that the level of suffering from a physical (terminal or not) illness inherently trumps the suffering from a mental illness.

I think there should be precedence for living wills in place especially in the cases of things like dementia/alzheimers. I know it goes against the secret maker's thoughts here, but I absolutely would not only NOT want to be a burden on someone in that state, at that point how much of 'me' is really even there? I'm not sure I'd want to be in that state and I really don't see why someone else gets to say, "You're breathing so you have no right to end your life."

However, I think if the decision is made from a reasoned point of view, if you're suffering from any sort of mental illness (and I say suffering from, not living with, because there's a difference), it should not be up to anyone else to say you're not suffering.

[kallanda_lee]

As someone who was also once suicidal - I dunno, man.

While not terminal, it can be incurable/untreatable. If I ever get back to when I was at my worst, and get another decade of that - I don't know what my choice would be. I'm not now, but I still have a decent support network, but maybe by the time I'm 40 or 50 I'll have no-one left, you know? I don't think I'll even be a fully functional adult, and that's fine as long as I have people to help me - but if those are gone, I can see myself choosing that.

[philstar22]

Yup. When I was at my worst, the only emotion I felt was fear. I had panic attacks at least once a day and other than that sat in my room and did nothing and was completely miserable. If I knew I was going to go back to that point and have to spend the rest of my life like that, I'm not sure I could. And I just had depression and anxiety, there are much worse types of mental illness to have.

[kallanda_lee]

Yeah the constant fear is just....soul destroying. And I just remember losing all the things one by one. My ability to love an to hope went out the door in the end, too. At this point you sort of wonder how much of that is still "you". And another thing is I can really lash out in that state, and not be safe for other people to be around....so nope, nope.

[philstar22]

Yup. And combining fear with my untreated vertigo, and I used to be terrified that the Earth was falling out of orbit and I was the only one who could feel it for some reason. And then there was also the religious fear due to growing up in a very conservative, fundamentalist environment. And combining that with the complete lack of self esteem and hating myself and I was pretty miserable as a child.

Although, I will say that the fear that I was going to Hell may have actually saved my life because there definitely were points where it was the only reason I didn't kill myself.

[(Anonymous)]

Huntington's disease?

[(Anonymous)]

Also Alzheimer's.

[(Anonymous)]

And CJD

[(Anonymous)]

That's cutting things pretty fine. There are a number of neurological diseases with primarily mental symptoms that are frequently fatal. Alzheimer's Disease, for one. It's not a psychological disorder, but it certainly could reasonably be classed as mental illness colloquially.

[(Anonymous)]

Alzheimer's disease (classified as an organic mental illness) is terminal.

[crossy_woad]

Someone else's potential suffering does NOT trump someone's current suffering.

I know that suicide is hurtful to family members (had one in the family years ago and it was very hard for everyone) but personally, I never really think about "hurts the family" as a reason not to commit suicide. I know that's worked for people when depressed, but for me personally it wasn't a deciding factor when I was super depressed. Like, at the end of the day, I was the one who had to live with the anxiety and depression; I wasn't going to live FOR my family. I didn't want to hurt them, but that wasn't the main decision. I think when trying to talk to people who feel suicidal it can't be the only goal "don't hurt others" because it's so....when you're in agony yourself, that can't be your final decision.

A person who feels suicidal needs hope the future can improve (and it often can). They don't need more guilt trips? ImO

[(Anonymous)]

How can you make sure that mentally ill people are capable of giving informed consent to die?

[(Anonymous)]

All of this.